Review & Video: Denon DJ SC5000 Prime Media Player

Review Summary:

The innovative SC5000 Prime media player does three things that mean it has every chance of shaking up pro DJing more than it's been shaken up in years. First, it builds on, without breaking from, the look and feel of its established competitor. Second, it is hugely powerful, bringing many DJ software features into the pro booth for the first time, minus the laptop. And thirdly, that touchscreen! It's how touchscreens are meant to be. Pioneer DJ has a serious competitor, and DJing is all the better for it.

SC5000 Prime
  • SC5000 Prime
  • Rating: 5
  • From: Denon DJ
  • Price: US$1899
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  • On June 1, 2017
  • Last modified:June 7, 2017
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We've finally had the chance to spend an extended time with the Denon DJ SC5000 Prime media players (and the X1800 Prime mixer, the subject of a separate review). Read on for our full thoughts on this important new piece of kit.

Full Denon SC5000 review

Rarely has a new product resulted in so much excitement, hype and pure column inches in the DJ media than Denon's SC5000 Prime media player. Can it really mount a meaningful challenge to Pioneer in the pro DJ booth? Will superstar jocks take to it? And is it as powerful, feature-wise, as Denon DJ claims? We've finally had time to spend some time with a full Prime set-up. Here's our full review of the SC5000 Prime.

First impressions

It makes sense to give first impressions of this unit against the Pioneer DJ CDJ-2000NXS, which is the player the SC5000 Prime is gunning for, and which is a comparison that will most clearly demonstrate how Denon DJ has gone about its attempt to usurp the sitting giant in the pro DJ booth.

So, we placed the Denon DJ SC5000 Prime alongside the latest Pioneer DJ media player (the CDJ-2000NXS2). Before even plugging it in, the most striking thing initially is the similarity, not the difference, between the units. Frankly, barring the brand name, the non-DJ would be hard pushed to spot anything.

They both have a big, raised platter. They both have a decent-sized screen, raised at the back (the Denon DJ's screen is slightly bigger). They're both black. They're almost exactly the same size (the Denon unit appears wider, but it's only because the raised section at the back is full-width, whereas the NXS2's raised section is narrower; the Denon unit is also slightly higher at the back). And they both have those slightly kitsch, oversized silver feet, that in modern media players don't actually do an awful lot apart from - presumably - nod to a continuity of function between digital players and record decks.

SC5000 VS NXS2

Side by side, they're actually more or less exactly the same size, but the SC5000 appears slightly bigger.

Heck, when Denon DJ first gave me a hands on with these units back in December 2016, it took me till the end of the (admittedly bleary eyed, early morning) session to realise that the SC5000 Prime has no CD slot! These are purely digital players, designed to work with computers, software and portable media storage such as USBs and SD cards.

The big differences

Look a little more, and apart from the styling differences (Denon DJ has gone for square cue and play/pause buttons, not round; the "grips" on the sides of the jogwheels are different), there are only three big notable breaks in layout from pro media player convention:

  • The Denon DJ player has its USB and SD card slots at the front of the unit, tucked in where the CD slots are on Pioneer CDJs, and set back to keep USBs and SDs out of harm's way
  • The SC5000 Prime has performance pads situated under its platter, positioned where any controller DJs would expect to find them, albeit in a single row of eight (plus associated control/function keys in a smaller row above), as opposed to two rows of four, which is of course the "controller" paradigm (these replace the less user-friendly hot cue buttons, laid out top left and vertically on the Pioneer player)
  • The SC5000 Prime has two sets of analogue/digital audio outputs at the back, not one; these (and the inconspicuous "layer" button to the left of the screen) being the only clues to the fact that it is capable of simultaneously playing two tracks through two channels of a mixer, meaning a pair of these give you full four-deck playback - something, of course, enjoyed by controller/software DJs for many years

If anything, the Denon player appears overall simpler and "cleaner" than the Pioneer; the removal of Pioneer DJ's all of a sudden convoluted-feeling looping and legacy cue/loop memory sections in favour of simpler controller-type loop functions, plus a cleaner area around the screen (the Denon DJ unit has half the buttons of the CDJ-2000NXS in this area), in conjunction with the moving of the media slots out of sight, mean that even with the new performance buttons, the Denon DJ unit somehow appears a little less intimidating.

More on this later - but as you're going to see, actually the biggest innovations are associated with workflow and usability, not the somewhat cunningly similar layout.

Integrating the SC5000 players and the X1800 mixer

X1800 and Sc5000

Better together: the SC5000 and X1800 add up to more than a sum of their parts.

While the SC5000 Prime players work fine with any DJ mixer (that has four channels, of course, assuming you buy a pair), they are designed to work with the X1800 Prime mixer, as we say, the subject of a separate review.

Apart from the cue lights on the mixer corresponding with the deck colours on the SC5000 Prime units (nice!), direct tempo information from SC5000 ensures 100% accuracy of BPM and Sweep FX. The "On Air" mode illuminates actives decks when channel fader is open, and were you to have more than two SC5000s, the mixer's built in networking hub negates the need for a separate hub.

Setting up

Top

The contents of the box. One of the items is a USB extension cable, for plugging in hard drives or other items which won't easily reach one of the on-unit sockets.

In the box, as well as the unit itself you'll find a network cable (used for linking two players together, or the player to a Denon DJ X1800 Prime mixer), a USB cable (and separate extension), two good-quality RCA cables (for linking your player's two decks to the mixer), a cleaning cloth, an instruction manual, and a power cable.

Once plugged in, you connect the RCA outs to your mixer (two spare channels needed to use the player's two decks) and insert a USB drive or SD card into one of the SC5000 Prime's media slots. The unit actually has three USBs and one SD slot; one of the USB slots and the SD slot are on the front as mentioned earlier, and there are two additional USB slots on the back. you could plug additional media in the back; have a permanent hard drive of venue music and let DJs bring their own too; or (as we did, gotta be honest) charge your iPhone in the back while DJing from a USB plugged into the front!

Setting your preferences

While there is no need to set any preferences at all to get started, there are several settings panels available to you easily from the unit. Pressing and holding the "View" buttons will open the Preference and Utility pane. Talking through the Preferences pane, you have three sections:

Preferences menu: Playback
  • Track Start Position - At first cue point, or the start of the track
  • Default Speed Range - The pitch fader "reach", also adjustable on the player's Pitch Bend buttons, using Shift
  • Sync Mode - Sync to the nearest bar, sync to the nearest beat or just match tempo
  • Cue/Loop Quantise - Values from 1/8th of beat to a full bar
  • Paused Hot Cue Behaviour - Whether hot cues will trigger a track when it is paused, or play the track (the temporary cue is always a "cue play")
  • Default Loop Size - One beat through 16 beats, no fractions of a beat selectable here
  • Smart Loops - Neat one this. When looping manually it ensures the loop snaps to a recognised beat division (eg two, four beats). This works independently of Quantise settings.
  • Time Format - Dynamic/static. If you alter the pitch control, the effective played time/remaining time in a track will naturally change. This decides whether that value shows on the "time elapsed/left" display, or whether that number instead shows the "true" time elapsed/left
  • Track End Warning - You can choose from none to 90 seconds, and it works on a slider
  • Lock The Playing Deck - Stops you being able to load a track onto a playing deck by mistake
  • Needle Lock - Stops you being able to search through a track (by swiping its waveform) without pausing the deck first
  • Pad Lock - Turns off all the pads underneath the jogwheel, dumbing it down closer to a basic media player
Preferences

The Preferences pane, accessed via the touchscreen. Exactly the same Preferences pane can be accessed in the Engine Prime software, to set everything ahead of time fear easy import on arrival at a venue.

Preferences menu: Library
  • Choice Of Key Notation - Sharps, flats, Open Key and Camelot. This is actually great, because different DJs can choose what they're used to; Pioneer players use standard notation which is not as friendly to non-trained musicians as Open Key or Camelot
  • Key Filter - Choose whether when searching by key, you are shown tracks in compatible keys as well as the same key, or just tracks in the same key
  • BPM Range - Several choices to determine the lowest and highest BPM results permitted in track analysis; useful if you're a drum and bass DJ whose tracks sometimes get analyses as hip hop, for example. You can turn this off entirely too
  • BPM Filter Tolerance - +/-0 to +/- 15 - When filtering tracks by BPM, this determines the range in which your results will fall (ie if you set this to 2 and search for tracks at 112 BPM, you'll get 110 to 114 in your results)
  • Show Only Filename - Never add album / artists / genres / track title info and the like to your songs? Quite happy using a simple filename structure for your music? Here's where you can tell the player that fact
  • Deck layer colours - Set up to four decks with choice of eight colours, Layer button changes colour to go with deck as well

Note that you can record your preferences back to the USB or SD; that means when you play with that drive on another Denon DJ set-up, you get the option to load them back. Also, when you load that card or drive into a laptop copy of the Engine Prime software, you can do the same (there is an identical panel of settings in that software, too, so you can do all of this ahead of time).

So now lets move on to the Utility menu.

Utility menu

These are things specific to this player or set of players:

  • Player number - Set the number of this and any of up to four linked players
  • Switch off layer 2 - Don't want to ever use both "decks" on here? Make things simple by turning off the second one
  • Screen brightness - Turns down or up the main screen and the small, round screen on the middle of the jogwheel; unfortunately, doesn't turn down the brightness of the backlit buttons. That ought to happen too: Maybe on its own menu item, Denon DJ?

There is also an Update Firmware function, and various pieces of info about the player here.

Shortcut menu
shortcuts

For quickly getting the most important things right - especially on a player that isn't yours - the Shortcuts button brings up a truncated menu with only the really important stuff.

This is on a separate button, and is designed for you to quickly change the most important things about the player without diving into the above you get:

  • Layer Color
  • Cue/Loop Quantisation
  • Sync Mode
  • Screen brightness
  • Player number

Getting a track playing

If your USB contains music prepared on Denon DJ's brand-new Engine Prime software (prepared in the same way you'd prepare music for use on Pioneer DJ media players using Rekordbox), the players works at their optimum. But if your USB contains music files that have not been prepared in this way, the unit will analyse them "on the fly", taking a few seconds for each, as you load them. That means it'll work out BPM, key, waveform information and beatgrid, and load all the metadata including album artwork.

This makes the SC5000 Prime the first media player ever to act like software in this way, independently of a computer, and it can do it because it has multicore processor (basically, a computer) built in. DJs who don't go near any kind of DJ software can therefore take advantage of features previously unavailable to them, and this is a major advantage of the SC5000 Prime, representing something of a revolution, because it raises the bar for what any DJ media player should be able to do considerably, and immediately makes its competitors look somewhat inadequate - it's not their fault, but rather that this is seriously that big a power jump.

USB slots

The USB and SD card slots on the front of the unit, where you'd expect to find a CD slot on a CDJ. Note the fact that they're well indented, making them safe from prying hands, and being accidentally knocked out.

(We also noted that if there were MP3s in your collection that you had previously analysed in Serato DJ, your Serato cue points would also appear for you to use in the SC5000 Prime; worth bearing in mind if you find yourself scratching your head as to where those errant cues came from on tracks you're playing off-the-cuff on an SC5000 Prime!)

Note that USBs need to be formatted as FAT or exFAT; there is limited or no functionality with devices formatted in alternative ways.

It would be great if the unit could have the option to batch analyse everything on a USB inserted into it; that would mean seriously lazy but digital-friendly DJs with a pile of raw tracks on a drive could leave the unit alone with their music for a few minutes before a performance, then be able to DJ as if it had all been pre-analysed on Engine Prime (ie no waiting times on loading for track-by-track analysis, full search and so on).

Anyway, to get those first sounds coming out of your player, you'll probably find yourself selecting the music source by pressing the Source button, using big scroll encoder and back/forward navigation buttons to load a track (just as you would on any media player), and hitting play. Voila! Music.

In the next section, "In use", we'll take you through all the features and functions of the players when it comes to actually DJing on them.

Engine Prime v1.0 software overview

Officially referred to as "music analysis and management software", Engine Prime's job is to let you prepare your tracks for playing on the SC5000 ahead of time, before exporting them to a USB or SD to take to your gig. This is exactly the function that Rekordbox software serves for Pioneer's players, and for you Serato DJ users, it is like Serato DJ's offline mode. What this isn't is fully fledged DJ software; you can't plug this into an SC5000 set-up and DJ straight from your laptop (nor would you want to).

Engine Prime, like the SC5000 players and onboard software, is slick yet simple. in feel. Its abundant use of black and lime green feels like Spotify, and its smooth scrolling waveforms (especially in dual layer mode, so you can sync and play two tracks together to play DJ blends, acapella use, compatible loops etc, complete with vertical onscreen crossfader) will feel oddly familiar to anyone who's used the Traktor DJ app on iOS.

Engine Prime

Engine Prime is clean, simple and does what it does well. It is missing a few obvious features that we'd like to see in v1.1, though. (Click to enlarge.)

You can pull in music from your Music folder, from any other places on your system, from iTunes, and - impressively - from Serato DJ, too (and it all works very fast). Denon DJ tells us that an "elegant solution is coming soon" for importing Rekordbox libraries, so watch this space for that.

Once in, you can analyse in batch or track-by-track. Analysis works out the waveform, volume gain, key, BPM and beatgrid, and again, is quick. Key analysis is excellent (it is licensed from a world-leading provider), and beatgridding is accurate for electronic music, but needs manual tweaking for tracks with any BPM drift on them - although it can handle such tracks once this is done. The main thing you'll find yourself correcting is the downbeat, which the software often seems to get out by a beat. No biggie. (You can also fix this right on the player.)

But once done though, the news is all good: The elastic beatgridding is the very best we've seen, anywhere - you can grid beat-by-beat, and beat shifts in difficult tracks are handled smoothly graphically. Results sound great, in no small part due to the pitchshifting algorithm that Denon DJ has licensed (Elastique, from zplane), that is amazing: see our demo of that in the main SC5000 video.

One thing we noticed, though, is that once you've beatgridded a track, the track appears to "play to the beatgrid" at all times, even when sync is off (ie it is held to the selected tempo); thus you need to remember to have keylock when you're playing a varying BPM track that has been beatgridded, or it'll sound weird as the key moves around due to the SC5000 keeping the tempo fixed. We'd like the track to play to its beatgrid only when you ask it to (maybe when sync is pressed on that deck?), or at least for the SC5000 to always hold the key correct when a track is "playing to beatgrid". Neither solution is perfect though: a bit more thought needed by the developers here to get this right.

Setting cues and loops is easy, clear and fast, and you can name both and give them colours, which transfer to the player, too. That said, we noticed some anomalies with looping too.

Dual layer

Working with dual layers lets you audition possible mixes before adding your cues and loops and exporting.

Unlike Rekordbox, there's no mini waveform in the library view for quick click-and-preview of any part of a track without loading, and no other way of previewing tracks, which we missed, and there's also no "last played" column, again, a good thing for DJs to have we'd say. More seriously, there's no tagging or smart playlisting. Being able to tag all your "vocal", or "sax" tracks, is a great thing in Rekordbox, similarly being able to have dynamic playlists that populate with "1990-1999" and "house" (for instance), just as is possible in Serato and iTunes, is an obvious feature request for the next version. It means playlists have to be constructed manually, and weakens the case for this right now as "music management" software.

Also, as there is no operating manual at the time of writing for the software, and the tooltips are not very good (they seem to have only added what they've got around to at this point), it took a while to uncover various features. For instance, to set the size of manual loops, you need to pause the deck and hit the loop button, the scroll through the waveform . To zoom in and out of the waveforms, you need to use the undocumented keyboard shortcuts (Apple CMD or PC ctrl =/-). To turn sync on you click the button, but to turn it off, you don't just click it again, you have to hold down shift, which makes sense on a hardware player but is baffling on prep software! We are sure these little things will be ironed out soon enough.

Grid

Adjusting the beatgrids is intuitive and the results are highly accurate; it's the best elastic beatgridding performance we've ever seen.

Exporting is smooth and works well, simply via drag and drop which is easier than the way it happens in Pioneer DJ's Rekordbox. And all available devices show in the devices panel. This panel is also where you set your player preferences - the same ones we went through on the player itself above. Transfer was pretty quick and hassle free, with a progress bar at the bottom to let you know what's happening.

• See the end of this article for a video talkthrough of the software.

In use

First thoughts

OK, so this far we've been pretty matter-of-fact: We've explained what we're looking at here, how to get your tunes ready, and how to get something playing. I want to open the "In use" section by conveying some of what we felt in the studio in the few minutes that followed getting to that point. In short: We felt amazed, unbelieving, vindicated, excited, and impressed!

Amazed that they'd pulled it off, and it was as good as they said it would be, while managing to feel actually simpler than the current industry-leading kit - kit which it instantly surpasses. Unbelieving, because of the sheer quality here: The touchable, smooth waveforms, the slickness of the workflow, the audio quality, the screen, the user experience. We've long said: Why can't hardware feel like software, like tablets, like phones? Why does standalone DJ hardware have to feel somewhat archaic, kinda clunky, compared to software and controllers? Well, no more!

Phil Morse Denon Sc5000

OK, I would like to admit that while we worked hard here on getting this review done as well as we could, as quickly as we could... we also spent a considerable amount of time simply enjoying this new gear. It really is like using a laptop and controller, but minus the laptop.

Vindicated, because we'd got tired of banging on about how amazing some of the features we love about digital DJing on laptops are, and how great it would be if they appeared on pro gear - and here they are. It feels like the technology has at last come full circle, and we're ready to look towards the future with the old laptop/no laptop debate - finally - put to bed. (Answer: It doesn't matter. They both do exactly the same thing. Choose what you're comfortable with.)

Excited: For the future, not only of our own DJing with such amazing kit, but for DJing in general now that the doors are open for all DJs to share these features, even those who would never go near a controller/laptop in the booth. And honestly, just plain impressed, because at the end of the day, this set-up - especially alongside the X1800 Prime mixer - is one desirable piece of kit. We defy any self-respecting gear head to look at this, especially after a few minutes of playing with it, and not think "want"!

So the rest of this section should be read in the light of what we just said, because we're necessarily going to have to get stuck into talking about features, likes, dislikes and so on in a more prosaic way.

The platter

So here's something. The platter has a big fat screen in the middle. A real, colour screen. The resolution is more first-gen smartphone than Retina, but it is still amazing. It shows the track artwork (or your logo if you so wish), as well as a clock face display of track position. It also shows currently selected loop length as a big number, dimming the artwork down to make it clearer. (We'd like it to show slice length too from the unit's slicer, which isn't currently displayed anywhere - more on that later.)

platter

The platter has a small central screen that can show a logo of your choice (the Digital DJ Tips one looks kind nice, don't you think?) or the track artwork.

The platter is capacitive, not mechanical, so again - it's like every controller bar about two that ever existed, and is silky smooth and quiet to turn - unlike the type used since (nearly) the beginning by Pioneer. To my fingers, I prefer the material and indentations used by Pioneer on its platter edges to the Denon DJ unit, but it's much of a muchness in truth. The top surface feel uncannily like vinyl, having fine grooves - something which Steve Canueto, our scratch tutor, loved.

It's worth mentioning that - while it appears not to be a big issue (ours work fine, and we've only heard this issue from a single source so far) - there does seem to be a situation where these platters can suffer from "phantom hand" syndrome, where you hover your hand or fingers close to the platter, and it acts like you're actually touching it.

It's affected such platters at times for years (I had to once earth my controller into a drain to stop it happening at a gig!), but Denon DJ tell us that these platters "learn" how you use them and the environment they're in, and such erratic behaviour smooths itself out almost instantly as soon as you start to use them. Just passing that on, as we couldn't replicate it.

Improvements we'd like to see

doubles

Currently, instant doubles (loading the identical track, running in the same place) isn't possible; maybe it could be implemented as on Pioneer DJ gear, with a long hold of the Sync button?

There were a few things that we felt could be added easily enough to improve the experience, so let's look through that list:

  • Instant doubles - Nope, it's not there. We checked with Denon DJ. It's coming...
  • An option for Traktor/Serato-style Loop Move - Loop Move is the Shift function on the Loop Length encoder, that skips the loop forward or back by the currently selected loop length. If you skip back, it does what we'd expect, ie plays from the part of the loop it was at when you skipped back. But if you skip forward, it continues playing normally until it arrives at the loop, then loops again. We'd like the playhead to skip forward with the loop, for more creative capability - or at least, the option to enable this behaviour, which is how we think Loop Move ought to work
  • Playlist management on the unit - Add to playlists, delete from playlists, re-order them, save Prepare as Playlist - that sort of thing
  • Better beatgrid management on the device It'd only take the use of a spare button slot or two, and it'd be great to see more than just being able to adjust the position of the downbeat

The performance pads

The performance pads are laid out in a single row of eight as opposed to the (more usual, for controller DJs at least) two rows of four pads across the bottom of the unit. Actually they make more sense this way, especially because when they are used as cue pads or for loops, the cues/loops can line up chronologically in your track, and each can be named, with those names appearing on the screen too.

Quite small, the pads are backlit RGB, and a pleasing mix of flexible rubber and "click" when pressed, which we liked. Above them are a thinner set of buttons, comprising (from left to right):

  • Shift - Used as a modifier for other controls on the unit, namely Loop (to Loop Move), Censor (to Reverse), Beat Jump (to Search), Sync (turns it off), and Pitch Bend (changes Pitch Range), performance pads (removes things like cues and loops)
  • Hot Cue - Standard hot cues, colour coded
  • Loop - Two functions, namely standard-type loops (blue colour, when pressed once), and what I'd call "standard-type" loop roll (green colour, when pressed twice), the latter letting you roll from 1/4 of a beat to 32 beats
  • Roll - Like the "standard-type" loop roll above but with a "slip" function automatically enabled when used, and this time with a range from 1/8th of a beat up to two beats, but including triplet loops too, coloured purple instead of green so you can easily tell them apart
  • Slicer - "Slices" the current eight-beat section into eight, and lets you play each of those segments (or "slices") with the eight pads, while keeping time overall. Pressing it twice engages the same, but the section of eight beats being sliced moves forward every eight beats instead of looping. The < and > keys half or double the slice repeat lengths, but there's no visual feedback on what is selected, which we'd like to see added (as I said earlier, maybe on the centre screen?)
pads

Controller DJs will love the fact that these pads are here, and DJs who've never used them: you're in for a treat when you discover what they can do...

If you're not a controller DJ or familiar with controllers/software, these are one of the big wins in this player for you, so get ready for a quantum leap in creativity! If you are, keep an eye out for one or two strange implementations here; one in particular felt like a bug to us:

That is that in Loop mode, Slip doesn't work; it flashes promisingly if somewhat erratically, but doesn't engage at all. Denon DJ's team says this is a "design choice", but we hope to see this "choice" quietly reversed soon. After all, why have a Slip button if it doesn't let people choose whether to engage it or not, instead just flashing weirdly advertising its non-availability?

Finally here, like with Rekordbox DJ, any cue and loop changes you make (as well as beatgrid adjustments - although the only thing you can change is the position of the "one" beat,) get saved back to the USB and thus your copy of Engine Prime on your computer when you next insert the USB there and load the software.

Imitation as flattery

Denon DJ owes a considerable debt to Pioneer DJ, for the way this unit is laid out. Denon was right there at the start of DJ CD players, but it was Pioneer DJ that established the standards, which the SC5000 Prime faithfully imitates. However, it is also true to say that it improves markedly on nearly all of them.

So right where you'd expect to find them, we find the:

  • Pitch control - More damped and nicer feeling than the CDJ-2000NXS, and with up / down / true lights, too
  • Cue and play/pause - Square and hard plastic, but otherwise, true to the norm
  • Track Skip and Search - ...as in "Track Search and Search" the latter demoted to a modifier key function (those buttons now used for Beat Jump on the SC5000)
  • Loop controls - Standard "legacy" type loop in/out buttons, but there's a loop encode too, very much like Traktor, that can be used for Loop Shift; overall, the looping is far more intuitive here than on the CDJs
  • Wheel Adjust - as in "Jog Adjust", to alter the tightness of the platter
  • Stop Time - The "Touch/Brake" knob in Pioneer DJ terminology; Denon DJ has done away with the little-used "start" knob entirely
  • Sync and Master Sync
  • Key Lock - As in "Master Tempo"
  • Media Eject - As in "USB stop", top left (obviously no "Disc Eject" here, as there is no CD slot...)
top

The player walks a careful line between traditional and innovative; it is familiar enough to make the learning curve shallow for DJs coming to it from other media players, but the overall experience is exciting enough to appeal to DJs (like us lot) who have been smitten with controllers and software for years.

One small addition/change is the inclusion of Denon DJ's beloved Pitch Bend buttons, which appear here in the usual place right under the pitch control, doubling up as Pitch Range with the Shift key held down, thus doing away with the need for a separate Pitch Range cycle-through button as on Pioneer DJ gear. Also, there's the previously mentioned Layer button for switching between the two decks.

Other things also appear in the same places, even if they are laid out much differently on the Denon unit than the Pioneer models (for "laid out", read "simplified"): I'm talking specifically about the "source" controls, and the big scroll/load encode and its associated forward/back buttons.

The inevitable few bugs...

quantbug

We spotted a weird issue with the cue points not playing back properly when off the beat with a larger Quantise setting (as Cue 3 is in this photo).

Apart from the "Slip mode not working with loops" point we raised earlier, which Denon DJ says was planned that way but which sure feels like a bug to us, we spotted just a few issues that are clearly not working as they should - not bad for such a complex product release. They are as follows:

  1. When you set a hot cue away from a beat (ie between two beats), then set the Quantise to a larger value (ie one beat), triggering that hot cue plays it twice momentarily, erroneously, disrupting the beat flow.
  2. When you add a cue to a playing track, if you have the same track loaded on the other deck on the same player, the cue appears on that layer too - but should you have the same track loaded on another player, it doesn't. Will mess up impromptu beatjuggling prep (or at least, it will when instant doubles is implemented...)
  3. With a saved loop and Sync on, we found that jumping back to the start of the loop sometimes caused the BPM to jump markedly, and also that performing with saved loops was erratic

We've alerted Denon DJ to these things and they're hyper responsive, so let's see what comes back. Feel free to let us know of anything else you spot in the comments.

Front and back

So we already talked about the three USBs and the SD slot, with one of each on the front. Around the back, there are the two analogue out stereo pairs plus two digital outs, a USB out, a Link for connecting the players together / to an X1800 mixer, plus the power input.

back

The back of the unit, clearly showing the two sets of RCA outs for DJing with two decks, or "layers", on a single unit.

Here you'll also find the power button (it's a standby/on type button, not a true "off" - to turn the unit fully off, you pull out the plug - even if you do that, the power carries on for a few seconds), a Kensington lock hole, and a small cooling vent.

Just a word on that USB Out: It is for connecting to a laptop, for the apparently imminent Serato DJ implementation, and other forthcoming third-party hookups (interestingly, when we asked Denon DJ directly about any possible future Traktor integration, there was a 15-second silence, then the words "not as yet". Read into that what you will, Traktor users...)

The touchscreen

This is really the centrepiece of the controller. An iPad-esque hard glass screen with high resolution, full colour display, it redefines what we will from now on expect from DJ gear screens.

In Performance View, you can pinch and swipe apart the waveform for zoom, tap things (eg the time passed/elapsed control, Quantise); basically, it is as intuitive, fast and fun to use as the phone in your pocket. And unlike other previous attempts at incorporating touchscreens into DJ controllers, this performance section has just the functions you need, the rest wisely remaining on the physical controls (I'm thinking mainly of the pad controls here).

Really, though, you're going to use this view for watching what's happening with your waveforms, to keep an eye on cues, loops, Slip mode, time elapsed, what's coming up, and so on.

screen

The screen splits its life between this view (smooth waveforms and performance feedback) and the library views.

In Browse view (touch the View button), you can view your music and load tracks. The biggest thing you should take away here is that it feels like you're still using Engine Prime on the laptop, with all the best bits of touchscreen technology; the colours, the layout, the speed, the naming conventions... everything feels like simply an extension of your prep, being done on your phone. To put it another way, you really don't miss the laptop. I mean it - we've finally got there, hallelujah!

So your Crates are here from your earlier prep (think of Crates as "big collections"). Your playlists, too (more ad hoc, tracks in them can be arranged in an order on the laptop before being imported here.) You have your History here as well (great for inspiration from previous sets). There's a useful "Prepare" window illustrated with a cute little "record half out of the box" icon, and you also have a standard Files view. Finally, Search brings up a Qwerty keyboard, and is slick; you can quickly search by artist, track, album, key and tempo. You can then sort the resulting tracks by the same categories - but let's have tags though, please, Denon?

Of course, you can select tracks by turning the encoder, but you can also (and you will, believe me) just swipe - it's totally intuitive. Swipe left to add to the Preparation window, right to load. Tap and hold brings up track info. In crates you can filter tracks by genre, title, artist, key or BPM, by tapping those icons respectively, tapping twice to reverse sort.

DJing with these babies...

Of course, all this means little if it somehow just doesn't feel right. Well, no need to worry there. Maybe I should put it this way: we set them up here at the Digital DJ Tips studio for an "initial play", yesterday, and that was it for the day - they took over everything!

We were back here at 7am this morning, and we've been on them ever since - plus we've had various team members "popping in" to the office for convoluted reasons, not at all connected to playing on these, no sir-ee. Meanwhile, those who aren't close by have been whinging royally on our company IM about wanting to be here ("So... when can you fly me out to HQ," our Assistant Editor Joey Santos asked). It's fair to say they've got everyone's imagination.

steve

It's not often you'll find anyone in the studio here at 10.30 at night, especially after arriving at 7am... but here's our scratch maestro Steve deep in the mix when he should be video editing...

The bottom line is this: They feel fun. You have confidence in the abilities of the players, so they feel dependable. More than that, they feel familiar and intuitive, and this will be especially true for DJs coming from controllers.

Meanwhile, the touchscreen behaviour makes you feel at home swiping and scrolling - that combination of traditional layout and feel plus touchscreen immediacy and software features is pure killer.

I think Steve Canueto from the team put it best: "It feels modern, like you’re on the cutting edge, not clinging on to old ideas. It feels interesting and inspiring - it just begs you to play with it not just play on it. It's addictive!"

"Stop scaring me with your new-fangled wizardry!"

One of the things we think Denon DJ has done particularly well with this release is to backwards engineer features for DJs used to working how shall we say it, in a slightly "archaic" way. You know: Throws some tracks on a drive, turn up, play - no analysis, no beatgridding, no cue pointing, no saved loops, no keymixing - basically old-school vinyl DJing, but with USBs.

Pad lock

The "pad lock" mode turns off the pads, so DJs who don't want to use them don't get in a jam.

Such DJs will be comforted to know that, with the SC5000 Prime you can:

  • Load with filename - Particularly useful for DJs who don't add metadata to their tunes, just working from filenames
  • Turn off the performance pads - With Pad Lock, you can knock out the new pad area entirely - no lights, no functions, nothing
  • Loop manually...but better - We mentioned that Denon DJ has kept the old-fashioned manual loop in/out buttons, which is how many DJs have always engaged loops - but with "Smart Loop" engaged, these will snap to a recognised beat length (1, 2, 4 beats, etc) - a boon for old school DJs who value tight loops, but don't want Quantise on
  • Switch off layers - Don't want a second deck on your unit at all? Save the chance of accidentally hitting the Layer button and getting confused by simply turning this off

Conclusion

This is the singularly most impressive piece of DJ technology we've ever reviewed, and ushers in a new era for DJing. It feels like the best of everything else, all brought together; a new mature standard, and it pulls that feat off because Denon DJ has got just about everything right. Sure there are for us a few missing features (tags, smart playlists), and we'd like to see the weird stuff fixed (Slip mode, the multi-player cue bug), but this system is already close to perfect.

Indeed, it is the first full separates set-up I've ever used that feels like the best of software - and from the founder of a company started to champion the ways software has, over the last few years, been dragging DJing kicking and screaming into a new age, that is praise indeed.

Not only will controller DJs love these, but stick-in-the-mud club DJs are about to realise what they've been missing, hence my "new age" statement: Laidback Luke told me that part of his amazement with this stuff was that he just hadn't realised that this technology was out there, having never DJed with software. We're so glad these functions finally have a chance to win over the DJs at the top, just as we're glad gear aimed at them finally feels good to us.

DN-3500

Denon was right there at the start of the CD DJ revolution (this is an early player, the S3500), but it's fair to say Pioneer stole the show hook, line and sinker. Is Denon DJ about to make a major comeback? It certainly has a great chance.

Denon was once a huge brand in pro DJ booths, but now for the first time in years, the future looks promising too. Upon announcement, many had doubts that the brand would gain traction with this stuff, no matter how good it turned out to be. But the company has, indeed, gained traction: Big DJs are on board, and more importantly, the products live up to the hype.

With Serato DJ integration already promised, Rekordbox importing also on the cards, and that awkwardly tight-lipped response to our direct "Is Traktor coming, then?" question, it does appear that whatever your flavour of system, you'll be able to use these units with it soon enough - something important when a product is trying to become a new standard, of course.

So what about the price? Well, with the SC5000 Prime (and the X1800 mixer) both priced at US$1899 / £1449 a piece, that makes two units and a mixer US$5,697/£4347. This is of course pro territory, but the equivalent three Pioneer DJ units would cost US$6591/£5877, so you'd be saving US$894/£1530 at current street prices by buying Denon DJ.

Things get more interesting, though, when you look for four-deck compatibility. In that case, you'd need four Pioneer units, meaning you'd be paying nearly double. In the elevated world of pro DJ gear prices, then, Denon DJ currently offers easily the best value, as you get that without buying four players.

Should I buy Denon DJ?

If you're a beginner, unless money is no object, no. Buy a decent DJ controller and use the laptop you already own. You'll get all this functionality for a few hundred, tops.

If you're a "prosumer" who knows your stuff and wants the best, sure, but for you, a really high-end controller will do the same, and still for far less. Mobile DJs will probably prefer to, also, go for a decent high-end controller, for ease of transport and setting up.

If you're a club owner, promoter or venue manager, you may just hear a growing number of DJs requesting Denon DJ gear from now on rather than a traditional set-up, so you've got a harder choice. You may end up needing to own a set of both.

Laidback Luke professed to me that he was amazed at what he'd been missing out on in the software/controller world, things that the Denon gear brings to the pro booth. He's one of the big-name DJs who's already put his name firmly behind the unit, along with Tïesto, Oakenfold and others.

Laidback Luke professed to me that he was amazed at what he'd been missing out on in the software / controller world, things that the Denon DJ gear brings to the pro booth. He's one of the big-name DJs who's already put his name firmly behind the unit, along with Tïesto, Paul Oakenfold and others.

And if you are one of those club DJ, guest DJs, residents or touring DJs, or simply somebody who prefers separates to controllers, frankly, we say do it! Pioneer's stuff now looks very out of date, shockingly so in fact. Let's be clear: Pioneer DJ has done many, many things right for many, many years, and still makes some fantastic kit. But nobody can be ahead all the time, And you could wait a while for Pioneer's reply to all of this (although you can rest assured their engineers are working hard right now on a reply - we'd guess an "XDJ2000") because Denon has really achieved something special with Prime.

The really interesting thing is that if a tipping point is reached before Pioneer DJ gets out its next players, a lasting power shift might actually happen. Whether it does or not time will tell, but for now, Denon DJ's Prime series is not only hands-down the best laptop-free DJing experience on the planet, it's probably the best DJing experience on the planet, too.

Review Summary:

The innovative SC5000 Prime media player does three things that mean it has every chance of shaking up pro DJing more than it's been shaken up in years. First, it builds on, without breaking from, the look and feel of its established competitor. Second, it is hugely powerful, bringing many DJ software features into the pro booth for the first time, minus the laptop. And thirdly, that touchscreen! It's how touchscreens are meant to be. Pioneer DJ has a serious competitor, and DJing is all the better for it.

SC5000 Prime

  • SC5000 Prime
  • Rating: 5
  • From: Denon DJ
  • Price: US$1899
  • Reviewed by:
  • On June 1, 2017
  • Last modified:June 7, 2017

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Comments

  1. I was reading article thinking that Denon had really put a lot of thought into this and then got to the part when you talked about Prime and how it doesn't have smart playlists. Really? So despite all the incredibly advanced features, you still have to use music management dating from the last century.
    Didn't bother reading the rest of article because for me ease of organising and being able to quickly find music is the best thing about the digital DJ age in my view.

    • Mark Direkt says:

      I'd like to see Smart Lists also, and it's an easy addition to Engine Prime than can be added by Denon. I guess we have to bear in mind that this is all very new and it's just 1.0 right now - for an introduction it's very promising and the future (and present) looks very bright.

      • You're right, Mark. We are in close contact with the development team, and as with any v1.0, they want to do the essentials and then see the demand for other stuff. We want to see smart playlists with the same level of granularity as you get in iTunes, but with tagging added in too - as a minimum. For my money, it'll come.

    • Yes, if Smart playlists are that important to you in the prep software, this isn't for you. I suspect they'll come pretty quickly, and it's a small thing against the stupendous advances here in so many other areas. The search, for instance, is fantastic.

    • Jason @ Denon DJ says:

      Smart lists are indeed coming (soon!) This is at the top of my list as well. As Phil mentions above this is our version 1.0, our core foundation, where we go from here is limitless. Hope you can stick with us, we have a bunch of great features already planned. Thanks so much for your feedback!

  2. Dj vitico BL says:

    im very disappointed they didnt put a cd player on it with everything they did, but in general it seems to be a huge leap forward compared to the pioneer player... will it be a real competition? Who knows at the end of the day alot of better technologies didnt win for whatever reason, 10 or 15 years ago I think the s5000 and s3500 were much better than the cdj 1000 but pioneer made sure all the top 100 djs got sponsored while denon didnt and they won the court of public opinion becuase of that , denon is definitely doing something right by getting these 3 or 4 big name djs, but honestly they would have to get at least 25 of the top 50 djs using denon to really change public perception and generate enough interest to truly be a competitor ,I hope they do

    • Here's our take on that: It's actually reaching the point where the technology is stabilising. These players are exciting because they don't do anything different, they just do everything that's good about controller/software DJing AND non-laptop DJing, in one powerful system. Then they throw in a touchscreen which is again nothing new - everything about the way that touchscreen works is instantly familiar. So it feels simple to use. If Pioneer catches up (and it will), we all win - whichever one of those comes out on top.

  3. Mark Direkt says:

    Very excited about these new players!

  4. This raises the bar on pioneer DJ and my guess is they will respond, the killer feature for me is the dual layer on the Denon player. I'm really really curious whether Pio will do that, it potentially halves the numbers of decks they could sell. You can hot cue, loop easily using DDJ SP1 and like Phil says, who really uses slicer? SO the killer is producing a better touch screen and a dual layer on the 2000 NXS3!

    • The killer is to make a unit with the same processing power in it, for us. It is that raw processing power that enables so many of these things. To produce a unit with a full computer in it and still undercut the market leader by a decent amount on price is, we think, astounding.

  5. Leon Edwards says:

    I remember you talking about these last year Phil, I thought to myself yeah yeah we will see.
    I can see now! What ever happens its always good for us the DJ's :) Pioneer SZ owner.

  6. CD replacement decks seem to fall a little short now-a-days. This is what happens when people get so focused on making improvements to what is already out there that they forget to look around at other approaches to the problem other people have done. I'm not saying this approach won't do a good job at replacing CD players, but when you compare this product to say something that uses a computer via USB, you start to see the luster diminish. Computers aren't just the engine to DJ software today, they've become a platform for DJs to go beyond just playing back the files they have. If you want to play video, you'll need to add a computer to this solution. Do you want to use a drum machine in your sets? Well, this unit doesn't seem quite ready to integrate that. It seems this solution only addresses A-to-B DJing (at a premium) and pretty much ignores all the other things you do with a computer as a DJ... so you still need to get a computer, but I guess this product simply removes the backside of the laptop screen when you play A-to-B tracks.

  7. Hi, I had the sc2900's and the engine software was awful. beatgrids didn't detect correctly and you couldn't adjust them. I was playing trance as well, not hard to detect a straight 4/4 beat. and thus none of the looping/slip functions worked on the hardware.
    Whats the detection like in engine prime, and can you adjust the beatgrid in the software and hardware.

    • Chris Roman says:

      Adam, Prime is 1000 times better and redone from the ground up. Yes you can adjust beat grid. But don't just take my word for it. Download it and try it out! You even get a crossfader so you could do a little mixing and compare with the sync tool how good it is!

  8. Adam Agovino says:

    Question for CDJ users:

    Do you see any advantage with using CDJs over controllers? I'm a Pioneer SX2 user and it seems (though I could be wrong) that my controller has everything that CDJs - and the new denon SC5000 has.

    Also - I would think that using a laptop would be more advantageous vs the screens on the denon. What advantage do those have?

    I understand that CDJs (and maybe soon, the SC5000s) are more ubiquitous in clubs, so it's better to be accustomed to them for that reason, but otherwise I could never find a reason why you'd want to use them over a controller (especially considering the price you pay for two of them and a mixer).

    • Basically Adam, you plug your laptop into DJ gear because that gear is "dumb". Doing so enables all the amazing stuff we software DJs take for granted. Otherwise, even the very best DJ gear is a bit tedious and boring to use in comparison - poor track search, limited features and so on.

      But... if that DJ gear can do everything the laptop can do, the it means you don't need the laptop at all to perform. That's a huge variable removed from the equation, meaning more consistent, simpler and more reliable DJ set-ups and performances.

      The best analogy I can think of right now (and it's not a very good one, I admit) is when you used to have to plug an external modem into your laptop to get online. As modems got smaller and cheaper, they just built them right into the laptop. Nobody would dream of using an external modem nowadays. Same with laptops and DJ gear, when the DJ gear can easily incorporate all the features of software. This is the first DJ gear to achieve that - and then move past it.

      And I'm sure we can expect all-in-one controllers soon that will do the same. (The Pioneer XDJ-RX and the Denon DJ MCX8000 promise it, but don't quite get there.)

      • Andy Shiers says:

        Phil - so for those of us in the market for an all-in-one laptop-free controller with proper touch-screen functionality, is it worth holding out for the 'holy grail' that will no doubt be released in the mold of the SC5000, or is that a significant way off and we should just go for the RX or the MCX8000 if we want something in the next, say, six months?

        • Christian Yates (DDJT Team) says:

          Hi Andy, depending on where you are, the SC5000 is already available. You can find your nearest dealer here: http://denondj.com/dealers Hope that helps!

          • Andy Shiers says:

            Cheers Christian. Yeah, I know the SC5000 is out. I was just saying I'm looking for a controller with similar functionality. Check my post out again :)

        • Christian Yates (DDJT Team) says:

          Sorry Andy, got you now, apologies 😉

          On that front, I can't see that happening for a while, at least not with the capabilities of the SC5000s. We'll just have to wait and see I guess. If you have the means to do so, then I would see no wrong in getting an MCX8000 for the time being.

  9. Rod Rojas says:

    Fantastic tech for us DJs, I'm a pioneer user but this makes me want to switch over to Denon DJ, More bang for your money than Pioneer!, But seriously why would you Dinosaurs want a cd player in this exquisite machine.
    Cds are dead get on with the times, I know there's a whole vinyl record crowd out there, but that's another can of worms if you ask me, far as I can see we're in 2017 deal with it. :)

    • Christian Yates (DDJT Team) says:

      Strong words, Rod! :-)

    • Dennis Parrott says:

      The ONLY advantage to having a CD player on SC5000s would be if it were a DVD reader that could read your MP3s, lists, metadata, cue points, etc. from.

      It would have to be a DVD player though to get sufficient space. (4gb vs 800mb)

      So long as you have your laptop you could burn a new DVD for less than a buck where leaving your USB or SD behind could cost $10-$20 very easily... (way more if you use LARGE USB drives the way Roger Sanchez said he does in the recent podcast interview... those big ones still cost real money!)

      However, the advantage is also a disadvantage. Optical drives can sometimes fail to read the media for various reasons and people often treat CD/DVD media as if it can survive Armageddon and still be readable.

      Bad USB/SD connections can be a problem as well... I hope for the price of these units that Denon has made those USB/SD connections field-serviceable...

  10. Stephen Wayne says:

    It seems to me like people are sleeping on these. After reading this review and watching videos, my mind is blown. I want! I can't believe there isn't more hype and buzz about the Denons. This is massively exciting stuff. Why aren't there a gazillion pages of comments on this review!? All the deal-breaking features that may be missing could be added with firmware upgrades. This is a paradigm shift in standalone gear and seems like an earthquake to me now that I've spent more than 30 seconds looking at them. I'd love to see these Denons become the industry standard. However, if people aren't paying attention (like me) and take a long time to give them a good look or have to figure out whether to sell or keep their existing gear - it could take years for the Denons to be widely adopted. Swapping out $6K of industry standard gear is a tough sell for most peeps. A penny-pinching bar/club owner who already complains about maintaining Turntables, CDJs, DJMs, and now has to own the Denon gear too? Good luck if you want these on your rider and you're not Laidback Luke.

    • Todd Oddity says:

      If the Denon marketing folks are clever (and I think they are) the way to market to those penny-pinching bar owners is to point out how dual layers also means redundancy in case of failure. In a standard two-decks-and-a-mixer kind of club, if a CDJ goes down either the set comes to a crashing halt or the bar has to keep a backup unit available somewhere ($$$!), but with the new Denon gear if one deck were to go down, you just keep on spinning on both layers on the other side - no additional backup gear required. Combine that with being a little cheaper anyway, and that is a helluva savings to offer that penny-pincher.

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