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  • #2172501
    DJ NShyap
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    Is it necessary to pay AGAIN after buying BUYING tracks from official websites to perform.

    Are we NOT allowed to perform or mix after we buy the tracks online.

    Do we have to pay TWICE? Once to OWN it and once to PLAY it in public?

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    #2172931
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Hey Paramor,

    I moved your post to the appropriate forum, clearly not a mix, music or show.
    I removed all the caps from your post title and actual post. We don’t mind the occassional emphasis (I do it too), but so much caps is still considered shouting and not something we want here at the forums.

    On topic:

    Yes, you don’t buy a song outright, you buy the right to listen to that song, in private. In order to publicly play music the artist needs to be paid. Fortunately for us DJs, in most countries it’s the venue owner that pays that bill.

    You are allowed to use the track as a DJ to play/mix it in public. And in general you’ll get a lot of leeway in remixing/re-editing, especially if done live. If you record it and start distributing it without consent from the original artist, that’s another story.

    Again, it’s important to understand that you don’t OWN anything when you buy a track, other than the right to play it in private. Just like you want to be paid to play tunes as a DJ, the artist that created the material you use would like to be paid for that public use as well.

    #2173391
    DJ NShyap
    Participant

    I am ok with paying the royalty and I agree with you…

    However I am wondering if the original singer ever gets the money from abroad which is collected as Royalty by local agencies…

    #2173411
    DJ NShyap
    Participant

    Thank you very much for your time DJ Vintage…

    #2173551
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Yeah, there is some highly complex system in place. That’s why all those cats want to have a mega christmas hit. It gets played every year for the rest of their lives for a whole month. It’s a pension plan LOL.

    #2173981
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    So no matter what you do 30% of the royalty fee that is not sucked up by those agencies (which is roughly 50%) gets to the trust funds of Michael Jackson, Beatles, Rolling Stones,… it is highly doubtful that even names like Guetta or Tiesto get much output from those general play fees.
    The rest of the few cent goes to everyone who ever had a #1 US hit and a few microcent might reach you if you have a song that was Top 20 in your country…
    The royalty system is total bogus and makes rich famous artists richer and mostly labels and royalty companies suck up the rest of the money.

    Now where you do get royalties is air play or festivals (bigger ones) as they have no general fee put have to deliver a playlist and royalties go to the artists played.

    #2174961
    blyvsee
    Participant

    im glad i came across this discussion, so on a similar level as the original post. What exactly is the criteria regarding needing a license to play publicly? i have no idea how this works or what is required of me,in terms of what i need to do.Do i apply for a public performance license?or is it a yearly license like TV or is it applied for every time i get offered work (i haven’t done any events”YET”just starting out and fully aware that work doesn’t just fall in your lap) so do you apply for them separately? I’m in the UK so if anyone is kind enough to take time replying to my question maybe need to take in the fact of my location might have differing regulations than say the USA.

    #2174991
    DJ NShyap
    Participant

    Thank you Allan for appreciating the topic 🙂

    #2175001
    DJ NShyap
    Participant

    I shall give you an insight…how I got into this topic..

    When I perform I want to be tension free and I want to go home after performance and I do not want to see a Police Station or Jail…

    About Some Indian Pubs and Events..

    It is rare…but if Police Raids any Club or Bar or Pub for illegal activities such as Drugs, Immoral Trafficking, Disturbance to Nature and Environment….they do their best to squeeze money from all unauthorized activities.

    This includes Permit, NOC, Performance License, Royalty Clearance Certificate for the songs that will be played and most importantly a PERMIT from Nearest Police Station for the show.

    Most of these permits needs to be Fulfilled by Event Organiser or the Owner of the PUB/Club…However to be on the safe side…you need to have a License to Perform the music of others..as just buying them online or through CDs may not give you a right to perform in Public…

    If you have all, then no one can trouble you at all…However if any of these is missing, then You NEED to RELY on your LUCK…

    #2177391
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    I disagree, you do NOT need to rely on your luck.

    In about 90% of the worlds countries (only exceptions I know are known “funky” countries like North Korea) the venue owner is responsible BY LAW.
    But to be on the safe side I simply have a passage in my DJ contract that states that in good faith I am pushing all legal issues to live performance of my legally obtained tracks to the hiring party. If a policeman or whatever asks me I simply point out my contract signed by the hiring party and NEVER in 20+ years had any issues.
    The only issue I had once was in Italy where they wanted to see receipts of the music on my laptop and I simply agreed that they could come home with me (2 hour flight) and check my invoices at any time of their convenience.

    #2200291
    DJ NShyap
    Participant

    IT was hillarious about that Italian incident.

    But ya how to show the purchase of music over iTunes…I could not even see the kbps information and purchase details…Ofcourse I am new to Apple maybe thats the case that I am unable to find.

    The iTunes also had one common issue: Titanium of David Guetta was listed as Rs. 15/- each however when I clicked on ‘Buy’ Rs 60/- got deducted from my Credit Card 🙁

    1 Dollar : Rs. 60.20 (Indian Rupees)

    #2203701
    Quicknight
    Participant

    @DJ Akash

    I wouldn’t worry too much about it. The police in India most likely won’t know that you have to BUY the music and not rip it off youtube. I doubt you’ll get into trouble because of that. I buy all my music through Beatport. End of story.

    #2204271
    DJ NShyap
    Participant

    But the thing is how to get started now…Lets say I have all the required things with me ….but no Experience of Live performance..who would take risk….Will I be Freejay for sometime before becoming a DJ…???

    How to get Gigs…especially the 1st one ????

    #2204351
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    You have to let go of the thought of being able to get the first “gig” in that way. Start out doing house parties for friends, birthdays, backyard BBQs. Anything really to get you playing in front of actual people. Because if you haven’t played in front of real people, you just are not ready to go out and “gig”, imho.

    You won’t make any money and probably be happy if the guys/gals giving the party are willing to pay for a rental PA if you don’t have one yourself. And you can try getting gas money out of it (just to get used to not being a “freejay”). But at the end of the day, you need to get out there and play. This will give you the Experience of Live Performance, it will give you the self-confidence you need to talk to people that CAN actually get you paid gigs and … not unimportant … people will actually see you behind the decks. Make sure you have cards, wear a t-shirt with your DJ name and telephone number, hang up and hand out flyers at the parties you play. You will start putting your name out. If one person likes what you are doing they might ask you to play their next party. Which you will gladly do, for a modest amount of money of course! And see, your first paid gig!

    #2204641
    DJ NShyap
    Participant

    I have actually called up few reputed Discotheque and requested them to allow me to perform for free so that I can test my set-up and I have informed them that I have not performed earlier as a DJ infront of a big crowd however played Bass Guitar in our Band which was infront of large crowd.

    I have also said I don’t mind if it they allow me to perform on an odd day when the customers are less or during the initial part of the day before the actual DJ arrives.

    The Managers have agreed to give me a try saying that they have never done that before allowing their platform to be used by Freejay but they were convinced by me that it would be a good try.

    Do you think it’s a good idea to reach out to people and leave an impression, bearing all the expenses as an Investment for something Good ?

    Actually I want to do DJ as I got double Slipped Disk for playing heavy Guitars and for other issues and I cant perform stand-holding a Bass guitar and I am already replaced with another bassist and for this I am missing the Audience Claps, Noisy Support and actually to be honest money is secondary for me at the moment as I work in a company from Mon-Friday with some amount to spend on the Basic needs of life.

    I had got other plans on mind but I want to earn(sometime in future) from where I enjoy…

    God Bless…

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