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  • #2363
    Emma Partnow
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    How Do You Feel When A Person Makes The Distinction That Because You Are Unable to Play An Instrument; you Are Not A ‘Real Musician’ ? – Though You Are a ‘DJ/Producer/Sound Engineer/Digital Composer’

    I have my Own Story regarding this; and How it made me Feel; but if Anybody Else has Felt ‘Disregarded’; ‘Dismissed’; or ‘Crapped On’; However you may Describe it Personally; Please Feel Welcome to Share;

    #1000783
    pilotmike327
    Member

    Playing/Creating Music = Musician
    Playing an Instrument = Instrumentalist(?)
    My opinion.

    Haters gonna hate.

    #1000785
    DJ GRE
    Member

    Being one of ‘those’ people before, I want to elaborate on my thought process: So when you’re a musician (in the traditional sense) you obviously practice an obscene amount before you even consider yourself ‘ok’. Now add into that, that you are trying to create all new sounds out of an instrument that has countless ‘masters’ and the creative roadblocks you have to overcome to just create a riff and or a melody that is all your own – you can kind of see how if you have NO knowledge of what a DJ does and/or still see DJs as a person that simply plays one record after the next you will not be able to appreciate the intricacies of this art form (DJing). Sometimes I’ve seen musicians get downright angry when a bar has a DJ and he is killing it because they assume that he is just putting one track on after the other and they don’t see the creative process behind this.

    Being a musician, when I talk to these kind of people I usually just talk a little music theory or drop some hardcore, old school, indie rock trivia knowledge on them and they ‘accept’ me. That is – during a gig. If I’m just talking to someone that has this idea in their head and we have time to get into it – I’ll explain the ‘craft’ after which they usually gain a deeper respect if you can explain the art that is involved in djing… Or show them the djay app and have them make a good mix if they think it’s so easy! 😉

    #2388
    jezalenko
    Member

    I think this attitude partly has to do with society’s culture of celebrity worship. The mainstream can’t recognise the fact that a person has a skill in selecting the right tunes to build the energy with an audience, and to be able to mix those tunes seamlessly, and to be able to combine effects, samples and cue points to be able to remix and reshape the music on the go – now free improvisation is not something all musicians can do well (if at all). Also it is of my opinion that there are a number of people who DJ simply for the image, not the love of the music. These are probably the people who are creating the most disrepute for DJing.

    Personally, I’ve done pretty much everything within the music industry that doesnt involve creating your own music, yet it all requires a skill of it’s own. I’ve recorded and mixed rock bands, live acoustic artists, jazz bands, accapella artists, both in a live and studio environment. While the person on the stage or behind the mic has talent, it’s often not recognised that the person mixing or mastering what your hear makes them sound the way they do. I’ve had the oppurtinity to work alongside some of the best sound engineers in Australia, and I respect (and aspire to) the huge amounts of skill it takes to make a live band sound exactly the same no matter what venue you are in.

    All I can say is like DJ GRE – hand them your decks and let them show you how easy it is!

    #2399
    U31
    Member

    I stopped giving a damn about what other people think of me a long time ago. Its truly liberating.
    If people have a problem with me, it really is their problem. Dont try and reason with them.. arguing with an idiot is a fruitless exercise, they will always drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    #2432

    It REALLY annoys me when people say this sort of thing. I played at my school a little while ago and people have been thinking that I’m just playing songs off my laptop… 0.o did they not notice that there was not a single break in the beat for the 35 minutes I was playing? UGH 😡 that frustrates me so much. I have a few friends that appreciate it though, at least a little bit. They know a lot of the tunes I play, so they’ll hear a tune they know coming in and start getting hyped for it.

    jezalenko, post: 2377 wrote: All I can say is like DJ GRE – hand them your decks and let them show you how easy it is!

    I would do that frequently if not for the fact that I value my gear 😛 I’m not skilled enough to be an elitist prick but there is no way I’m letting some uneducated twerp touch my stuff.

    #1000808
    Emma Partnow
    Member

    Thank You So Much Everyone for your Comments and Feelings Expressed in this Thread so far 🙂 :);

    My little Story/Event/Experience occured 2 years ago when I was on a Music Technology Course at College;
    As the Students were asked what they did ‘Musically’ (myself already having said that I was a DJ/Producer); the Tutor; having asked all 15 people in the room; said; ‘I am So Pleased we have a Room Full of ‘Real Musicians’; oh; apart from Emma; who is a DJ’; and then when the last Student came in late and was asked the Same Question; and had replied that he was a Drummer; the Tutor said; ‘That’s Great ! Finally I have a room full of ‘Real Musicians’; as the last 2 Courses I have had to Teach have been Full Of DJ’s; oh; sorry; Emma is a DJ is as well’;
    I Felt Mortified and also Ashamed; the Fact that we were there on a Music Technology Course; Learning Logic; seemed to make ‘No Difference’ to him; and though I Wanted to Walk Out there and Then; I Stayed; but Felt Very Rejected; especially as during Group Work Not One Person in the Room Spoke to me; as if I wasn’t Worth Speaking To;
    I did Confront the Tutor on the following week (having decided that I had paid my Money and ‘Why’ shouldn’t I be there); and he Apologised; but throughout the Course his Manner did not Change; I was Still Treated as Nobody;

    What brought up this Unfortunate Incident (something I was hoping to just Forget); was seeing the ‘Exact Same Words’ written on this Forum yesterday; which I found Unnecessary and Unbelievable;

    It is Wonderful that people who Do Play Musical Instruments have already stated in this Thread that they Appreciate the Complexity of DJ’ing; and I Completely Agree; I would like to see these ‘So Called Real Musicians’ Operate Ableton; Traktor Pro; or any other Software (or Hardware); and Deliver a Professional Set over 6 Hours :D;

    #2450
    Emma Partnow
    Member

    Thank You So Much Everyone for your Comments and Feelings Expressed in this Thread so far 🙂 :);

    My little Story/Event/Experience occured 2 years ago when I was on a Music Technology Course at College;
    As the Students were asked what they did ‘Musically’ (myself already having said that I was a DJ/Producer); the Tutor; having asked all 15 people in the room; said; ‘I am So Pleased we have a Room Full of ‘Real Musicians’; oh; apart from Emma; who is a DJ’; and then when the last Student came in late and was asked the Same Question; and had replied that he was a Drummer; the Tutor said; ‘That’s Great ! Finally I have a room full of ‘Real Musicians’; as the last 2 Courses I have had to Teach have been Full Of DJ’s; oh; sorry; Emma is a DJ is as well’;
    I Felt Mortified and also Ashamed; the Fact that we were there on a Music Technology Course; Learning Logic; seemed to make ‘No Difference’ to him; and though I Wanted to Walk Out there and Then; I Stayed; but Felt Very Rejected; especially as during Group Work Not One Person in the Room Spoke to me; as if I wasn’t Worth Speaking To;
    I did Confront the Tutor on the following week (having decided that I had paid my Money and ‘Why’ shouldn’t I be there); and he Apologised; but throughout the Course his Manner did not Change; I was Still Treated as Nobody;

    What brought up this Unfortunate Incident (something I was hoping to just Forget); was seeing the ‘Exact Same Words’ written on this Forum yesterday; which I found Unnecessary and Unbelievable;

    It is Wonderful that people who Do Play Musical Instruments have already stated in this Thread that they Appreciate the Complexity of DJ’ing; and I Completely Agree; I would like to see these ‘So Called Real Musicians’ Operate Ableton; Traktor Pro; or any other Software (or Hardware); and Deliver a Professional Set over 6 Hours :D;

    #2555

    Emma, you have some very thought intriguing posts. Let me just say quickly that I play saxophone and am teaching myself guitar and love both, but when I start mixing, I am on a whole different level of music appreciation and love for what I’m doing. I like the saxophone but it gives me nowhere near the same rush and intense love and admiration for great music as when I put on my headphones and attempt to beat match.

    #2559
    SmiTTTen
    Participant

    The only thing I have a deep background in playing is silly-buggers. I don’t consider myself to be a musician as I am something far more powerful – a geek 😀

    #2597
    Emma Partnow
    Member

    Michael Fuchs, post: 2544 wrote: Emma, you have some very thought intriguing posts. Let me just say quickly that I play saxophone and am teaching myself guitar and love both, but when I start mixing, I am on a whole different level of music appreciation and love for what I’m doing. I like the saxophone but it gives me nowhere near the same rush and intense love and admiration for great music as when I put on my headphones and attempt to beat match.

    Hello Michael :);
    I have an Amazing Admiration for people who can play Musical Instruments; as it takes a Lot Of Skill and Lots Of Time and Practice/Dedication; it is just when ‘Others’ make a Distinction that ‘We (DJ’s) are Useless’ because we ‘Operate’ in a Different Manner; it would be Wonderful to see a ‘Mutual Respect’ from Both Parties;

    #2624
    Prof. Deusc
    Member

    Haha my brother always tells me (to annoy me obviously ;)) that what I do is n00bish (Djing and producing) and that music like Hardcore (the genre i listen mostly) isn’t music, it’s just “sound” or more often “noise” made by a computer 😉

    #2691
    DJ Toto
    Member

    Emma Partnow, post: 2352 wrote: How Do You Feel When A Person Makes The Distinction That Because You Are Unable to Play An Instrument; you Are Not A ‘Real Musician’ ? – Though You Are a ‘DJ/Producer/Sound Engineer/Digital Composer’

    On the contrary, when you produce from A to Z with Logic or any other modern DAW, you can play all the instruments in the world.

    #2695
    mr_john
    Member

    Well when it comes to production, I don’t see why people say you’re not a musician. Press a key on a piano it makes a sound, press a key on a midi it makes a sound, what’s the difference? You’re composing an entire song in production that’s more a musician than playing the guitar to me. With DJ’s I can see the argument, people say it’s not “your music.” But you’re still manipulating the music as you see fit.

    #1000839
    Prof. Deusc
    Member

    Amen to that!

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