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  • DJ Vintage
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    Unfortunately, as far as I know at least for Traktor and Serato, not compatible = not supported = not authorized = not working!

    Where with midi you could go ahead and try to map your own gear if the software allows midi-mapping (not always an easy option btw), this won’t work with Serato for sound cards and controllers nor with Traktor for sound cards.

    Mixvibes Cross, I know, lets you do DVS with any kind of sound-card. It happens to be the software I have been using for the last couple of years. At 129 USD/EURO for the most extensive version, including video, HID support for all things Pioneer CDJ and DVS, as well as free upgrades (thusfar), it’s priced very competitively. Also it has a (time-limited, think it’s 2 weeks) full-feature test/demo version.

    Not quite sure what the options are for DJay Pro (mac only) or Virtual DJ though.

    Last word on eco-systems. With Traktor closing up more tightly the last couple of years and Pioneer clearly favoring RB DJ now they have their own software, don’t expect either to be really willing to put much effort in testing/certifying other vendors gear. Due to “club standards” it seems slightly more likely that Traktor software will try supporting club gear (NOT the controllers!) than that Pioneer will start supporting more software from third-party vendors. Point in case the whole new R-series of controllers. While technically almost identical with the S-series, it seems they won’t work with anything but RekordBox DJ, while the S-series WILL work with RB DJ and most other major software.

    in reply to: Complete beginner to this #2478881
    DJ Vintage
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    RMS, all the other “qualifications” are pretty much bogus.

    So yes, 500W for 100 people. Don’t expect any ear shattering levels then though 😀 . I am currently leaning closer to the outdoor number of 10W per person as soon as a sub-woofer is inserted into the mix or when I know I have a crowd that likes it loud. This gives me the headroom to play with the sound level without pushing my gear to the max.

    FYI: Mackie is the brand, Thump is their entry level model/range.

    in reply to: Getting back to the music that made me happy #2478871
    DJ Vintage
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    Good job, m8!

    in reply to: Beginner Getting a bit overwhelmed with first controller #2478801
    DJ Vintage
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    Personally I think spotify is highly overrated, mainly because you can’t use it to play out. There is an intermediate solution that would get you going with Spotify and a controller if you have an iPad laying around. You could get either the DDJ-Wego4 or the Reloop BeatPad 2 and use DJay (Pro) software on your tablet. All set.

    I would forget about getting an intermediate or higher controller when starting. If you fear you will want to upgrade too soon (I predict you will need at the very least 6 months to a year of pretty regular practicing (not long hours but rather frequently) before you master all the basics enough to start figuring out what you are missing and/or want in your next controller. And that is if you take a course like the DDJT How To Digital DJ Fast one to get you started in the proper direction.

    Should you worry about the upgrade thing, you can always opt to get a used starter controller. You can still resell it 6 months or a year later when you upgrade, but you will keep loads of money in your pocket towards the upgrade, buying music, a new laptop, good set of headphones. And should you lose interest, you might sell it for only half what you paid for it, but that would mean a loss of only 100 bucks or so.

    Just my 3 cents worth.

    in reply to: Holiday and Wedding Music…Where is it? #2478791
    DJ Vintage
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    There are some current posts on building a quick mobile DJ ready that I’d suggest you read. They focus on buying some used (dance) samplers from various era’s. Same goes for Xmas music. I have a sampler with 5CDs (bout 110 tracks) of the most popular Xmas tracks ever. If it ain’t on there, I don’t want to play it. Ripping the Xmas CD’s and prepping the tracks would take me about an hour, tagged and analyzed and ready to go.

    Getting 40-track double-CD good “decade” samplers for the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s and the current pop/chart hits that are danceable should get you started imho.

    Don’t be mistaken though. One of the traps I have seen club and genre DJs step into before is the sheer underestimating of the necessary skills for mobile DJ-ing. Mobile DJ-ing is not at the bottom of any DJ-ing ladder, but rather a DJ-ing ladder of it’s own. What we consider to be the #1 skill that makes a good DJ “knowing what must come next” is perhaps even more true in mobile DJ-ing, with a much larger palet to choose from.

    Another thing to keep in mind that when you play clubs, festivals or other venues, people come for the purpose of dancing. Nobody comes to a wedding for the (sole) purpose of dancing. So getting a floor filled and keeping it filled needs a bit more doing. Not to mention having so many different tastes to cater to and to satisfy.

    Good luck with your gigs, it will be a trip!

    Almost forgot, the DDJT Wedding DJ course is definitely worth it’s money for your preparation and the playlists they contain.

    DJ Vintage
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    I’d never put my money on a non-Native Instruments hardware with Traktor software anymore. Traktor has rapidly closed their ecosystem and might do so even more when a major upgrade comes around.

    As for mixers/sound cards for DVS, they need to be supported by the software! So while the DJM450 might be DVS-ready in a technical sense, if it’s not Traktor-supported (and it’s not on the compatible list), it will NOT let you do DVS with Traktor. Same goes for Serato. If a sound card/mixer is not Serato certified (and -again- the 450 is not on the compatible list), it won’t work with DVS (or at all actually).

    I can understand the “only TTs and a battle mixer” setup, so won’t bother you with controllers.

    in reply to: Roland DJ808 vs. Pioneer DDJ SX2 #2478761
    DJ Vintage
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    Only at tradeshows. But they are so different, that I a bit puzzled by what makes you so divided. Either you have use for an integrated drum machine and the DJ808 is your weapon of choice or you don’t and then buying a controller with a built-in drum machine makes no sense as you are paying for something you won’t be using.

    And there is a whopping price difference as well.

    So if drum machines are not your thing, save your money and go SX2. If you have the budget and a drum machine is a must-have for you, then go Roland.

    Just my 3 cents as usual.

    in reply to: DJ equipment for beginners #2478751
    DJ Vintage
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    These two articles might shed some light (pun intended) on the Partymix:
    http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2016/11/controller-clinic-45-which-dj-controller-for-a-7-year-old/
    http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2016/01/numark-party-mix-adds-disco-lighting-to-a-dj-controller/

    Clearly the partymix is more gimmicky than serious DJ. Fun to try out a bit of DJ-ing, but as soon as you get any more serious you will soon run out of options with it. It’s a very cost-efficient way to see if a kid actually wants this or if it’s just one of those “gotta have” phases. You’d rather have 70 bucks end up at the bottom of the cupboard than a 300 dollar controller, right?

    As for software, they are all different, RekordBox DJ being most like Serato, Virtual DJ according to some the “easiest” to learn. Then there is Mixvibes Cross, DJay Pro (mac and iOS) and a few others.

    If you pick the Pioneer RB you buy into the whole Pioneer eco-system. The controller will only play with RekordBox and nothing else. It’s sibling the SB2 can work with RekordBox but also with a host of other programs.

    Be aware that most starter level controllers come with an LE/Lite version of the software which is mostly limited in some way (like no recording option) and will generally only work with the controller it came with.

    Our “standard” list of recommended starter controllers, in no particular order is something like this:
    * Pioneer DDJ-SB2 (or RB if you want only RekordBox DJ), the older SB is also still a good choice if you want to go used.
    * Reloop Beatmix 2 mk2 (or the original used)
    * Denon MC2000 (strongest one physically and good new and used)
    * Numark Mixtrack Pro 3 (although the 2 and even the 1 used can make a good deal)
    * Traktor S2 mk2 (really only recommende if you want to go with Traktor software)

    Just my 3 cents worth.

    in reply to: 1 Subwoofer to 2 tops pls help #2478741
    DJ Vintage
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    If you pick the Thump sub I’d go with the Thump tops (usually best to match sub with tops from same brand and range as they are usually engineered to work well together). You could start with one 18S and two 15’s and add an 18S later if you feel you still need more umph. This would give you a start of 1600W RMS or something I believe. Plenty for your purpose.

    To answer your questions:
    1) Depending on build quality it could be several things. From plain over-steering them (better speakers have both thermal and signal limiting built-in, but lower end stuff won’t have that) to playing them hard without proper cross-overs. In the latter case, the sub will try to spend amp power to have the BIG speaker move really fast (higher frequencies). As the big speaker can’t move that quicly (too much mass), the coil and magnet at the back can get pretty hot and even burn-out. Where you using the passive or active VRX?

    2) RMS is a regulated term and poses certain demands on the testing in order to use it. All other terms “PMPO”, Peak Power, Music Power, Program Power, Total Power and whatever else they come up with are not regulated and everybody just uses those to their own discretion. So really RMS is the only kind of power you can (more or less) objectively compare. On it’s own it’s not all that relevant without also knowing the sensitivity of the speaker, generally reported as SPL. Also interesting is the maximum output before distortion, known as max. SPL.
    In short:
    * RMS tells you what “continuous” power level the amp can deliver (in the case of an active speaker)
    * SPL (Sound Pressure Level) tells you how many dBs of sound you get when 1 Watt RMS of white noise is played and measured at 1 meter distance from the speaker. This is a measure of how sensitive a speaker transfers amp power into audio power. The higher the number the more sensitive it is. So lower RMS but high SPL can lead to the same perceived loudness as high RMS and low SPL. Clearly both high will give you more loudness, both low less loudness.
    * Max. SPL is the maximum sound pressure level the speaker can deliver (again at 1 m) before (a certain amount of) distortion occurs. Beware that dB scales are logarithmic. If you double the amp power in a given situation you will only gain 3dB spl. So two comparable speakers, one with a max SPL of 127dB, the other with 130dB. Having the higher one is like having the lower one with TWICE the amp power. So don’t think oh only a few dB max SPL difference as it really adds up.

    3) As I said many speakers will have built-in limiting for temperature and signal level. If you run them beyond their safe upper levels the protection kicks in, you’ll hear a click and no more music. Usually after a slight delay (and dropping the signal level) they will click again an come back on.
    That said, there are two “rules” in PA that I would try to stick by.
    a) 0dB rulez!
    b) Red is Bad! (Clipping kills speakers)
    Always try to tune your entire audio chain to be 0dB average with +3 to + 5dB at the loud bits (peaks). Generally speaking the first one or two orange lights blinking, the last green one more or less permanently on. And NEVER go into the red. Start with your deck gains, then your master gain on controller/mixer and then on your speakers also set 0dB (depending on what max level is at full you will keep your speakers set at 85-100% when no 0dB marking is present). When you do that, you should never hurt your speakers or cause them to sound distorted (or any other part of the audio chain for that matter).

    Just my 3 cents worth.

    in reply to: Complete beginner to this #2478721
    DJ Vintage
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    Yep, would be my advice. Someone upgrading from 10″ or 12″ to 12″ or 15″ for example. Or if there are any music stores close you could see if they have some that they took in as part payment for someone buying new stuff. You can rental companies to ask if they have anything interesting they are about ready to get rid of.

    Just be sure you get a good listen to them first. While good PA speakers can take a beating, you don’t want them making sounds that shouldn’t be there.

    Mind you, with the higher budget you are getting closer to some new things like the Mackie Thump (12″ or 15″) which is – admittedly – a love/hate thing (some love them others hate them), but they do pack a serious punch and are plenty loud. Only thing is they will eat up your entire higher budget and leave you without stands and cables and covers again. So …

    Did a quick scan on our eBay alternative here and saw plenty that would fit in your budget, from RCF’s to ElectroVoice (EV) and from TurboSound (pre-Behringer) to Mackie SRM450v2. That last one is a very nice 12″ active speaker. I have a set as backup and have no problems playing a night with them for 100 people.

    in reply to: Silent Disco !!! #2478711
    DJ Vintage
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    Nope … have only been in the “battle” variation where you just do your thing. Otherwise just wear the silent disco headset until it’s your time to take over I guess.

    in reply to: 1 Subwoofer to 2 tops pls help #2478481
    DJ Vintage
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    An 18″ speaker (which is a pretty big surface) powered by only a 300W amp would worry me. I have an 18″ sub that is powered by an 800W digital amp. The low amp in the Peavey will have serious trouble controlling that big speaker at high volumes.

    Yes you can get two Peavey subs and add two 15″ active tops. That will technically work. The subs will add up to 600W so will need to add at least 300W a piece 15″ speakers to get to the 200 people mark.

    The JBLs you mention are all passive, so not an option.

    You could look at something like the Mackie SRM550 (12″ – 800W tops) with 1 SRM1850 sub (800W 18″). Total in Euro (not sure what the prices are where you can get them in USD) about 2000. 2.400 Watt total and if they sound anything like my HD-series they will pretty much loud enough for your purpose. Keep in mind that you will want to get speaker covers (keep them nice while transporting), cables and stands (you can screw a pipe in the sub and place the top on it), so that will add to the budget.

    The single 18″ sub can handle stereo input and send out stereo hpf signal, one to each top.

    I think this is at the bottom end of a good sounding, loud enough, quality PA in this setup. You could start looking at DAP, Behringer, American Audio and such, but I would not commit that kind of money to those brands for a serious PA.

    in reply to: DJ equipment for beginners #2478471
    DJ Vintage
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    While a good question and super good your are not jumping in blind, it’s also a very hard one to answer.

    In essence any of the suggested starter controllers would do fine, using the LE/Lite version of software that will usually come with it. A set of monitor or small PA speakers (you can’t use the monitors for small parties as they are not made for that) and a good pair of headphones (Sennheiser HD-201 and only the 201! are a very cheap but great starter pair to help keep the budget down, the next best thing being 4-5 times as expensive) are also needed. Some cables and in case of PA speakers some stands. Also you would need a laptop (windows/mac) preferably just for DJ-ing or at least optimized for DJ-ing.

    Another alternative is to get an iPad powered controller, software is cheaper, no need for a laptop.

    The Pioneer DDJ-Wego 4 could be a good option there. Read the review over at the main site: http://www.digitaldjtips.com/?s=wego

    There is of course the question of budget. Do you have one?

    in reply to: 1 Subwoofer to 2 tops pls help #2478411
    DJ Vintage
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    Subwoofer use is really depending on kind of gig and your personal taste. I know people who want massive low end and would prefer using 4 subs with 2 tops LOL. But for some low end support a 1 sub – 2 top setup will work. For some more fundamental low perhaps a 2 sub – 2 top setup.

    From any reputable brand you can just get the sub and two tops from the same series. But with a total budget of 1625 USD you might want to start with just two tops and add a sub at a later date (I played many gigs without a sub for years and even now I’ll leave the sub at home and just use my two 12″ tops for parties).

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    in reply to: Dual Software for Different Types of Gigs #2478391
    DJ Vintage
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    True that. It’s a rather big upgrade for Cross as well (think the fullest full version is about 129 so 80 up), but that is because you also get DVS and HID support for all Pioneer CDJs as well as video support (and a few DVDs with free to use video material to get you started.

    Using two softwares in parallel is not something I’d recommend. If there are good mappings for your current software I’d seriously suggest not changing a thing but just getting to know your new controller with the software you already know and love. Something along the lines of “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it”.

    BTW, I love the MC6000 (even though I splurged and got me an MCX8000 now). It’s a great compact unit geared towards the mobile DJ.

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