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  • #2425141

    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    I have the MCX8000 now for about a month. I have to say I really really love the unit. In my humble opinion it is the best build quality I have ever seen in a DJ controller. It outclasses even the MC6000 or any competition brand. As even in the higher end Pioneers the XLRs are not case mounted, in the MCX they are. It feels like a tank and some things that are prone to “work off” like crossfader are user replacable.
    There is nothing on this unit that does not feel high class or does not work as advertised.
    I am really impressed with flexibility too, for example playing something from a deck, pal brings me USB stick from a promoter I quickly load it in, play his promo from USB and then switch back to Serato. Absolutely flawless no noisy things or anything.
    No matter which outputs you use it is crips clear sound quality.
    Of course it is big and on the heavier side, but that are the only things I can think off.

    It gets two thumbs up from me and I can recommend the unit to anyone.
    I primarily however use it with Serato, I only used a USB stick once or twice to test the whole procedure for backup reasons.
    I also think the unit is focused on Serato more than standalone work, even though it outclasses the XDJ series by far on standalone features.

    I will make a short video this week about the MCX which you can then check out.

    #2429331

    Arkadiusz Mikina
    Participant

    mega
    Happy for you guys having (Terry) and having ordered (Vintage) the MCX.
    I am picking my up on Thursday ! yay!!!
    Will let know how I find it 😉
    I used to own DDJ-SZ before so will be able to relate to the top of the line Pioneer controller 😉

    What I can’t wait the most for in the MCX?
    1. That all metal construction (I think there very few controllers on the market which are all metal – even 2000 euro Pioneers have side walls made from tacky plastic)
    2. A lot of people say that MCX sound quality is absolutely off the hook and like a rolls royce among controllers in the sound quality department
    3. Standalone functionality + screens
    4. DVS capability
    5. Ultra high creativity potential (Slicer + Flip + Hot Cues + PitchNtime + 16 performance pads)

    Terry, what do you mean by case mounted XLRs?

    #2429371

    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Good choice, you will love it.

    That means that the connectors are also screwed into the case and the mainboard. This makes it very solid and you cannot damage the controller by pushing the XLR in to strong (well you can if you are Arnold Schwarzenegger, but not usually hehe). That is a weakness in most controllers, as this added step is expensive to do.

    #2429561

    Arkadiusz Mikina
    Participant

    aaaa….now I get. mega! thanks

    I so cannot wait. Won’t sleep tonight (leaving tomorrow at 8am to get it) 🙂

    Do I think correctly that Terminal Mix 8 from Reloop is also all (like ‘all all’) metal?

    #2429721

    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Yes the TM8 is also all metal and it is a really good controller. It is just the MCX has loads of more features that warranted my upgrade. And still after a few gigs and playing with it at home I still smile when playing on it.
    There are some features where it is a real hidden treasure, like the stop time adjuster that you can use while the track stops. So for example put it on highest setting (which would be insane) hit the pause button and then turn the knob up and down for an awesome hip hop transition.

    #2430411

    Arkadiusz Mikina
    Participant

    Hey

    where do I start….. 😀

    mcx8000
    Picked it up yesterday. Played around with it only for couple of hours but……OMG! just buy it!
    It’s not a controller – it’s an epitome of digital DJing encased in metal box – that simple.

    Reloop TM8
    While I was at the shop and was waiting to get served I noticed TM8 on the display so….I played with it – what an impressive piece of kit honestly for the price ! All metal, solid, great build and so on. It costs like 400 euro in my country (Poland) but looks and feels 2-3 times more – easily on par with the most expensive Pioneers that ‘everyone thinks is best and the only one’. Generally, I think that Reloop has made such a technological leap in recent 4-5 years it’s unbelievable. I have just got a PA system from Reloop called Groove Set 12 and you know what? It’s just mind blowingly good – it’s very well engineered in terms of sound stakes – very very well calibrated and tuned sound. And it does 2 things for me: it’s amazing at home when DJ practicing (the bass is so deep and precise it’s like a joke – trust me) + I can do small gigs with it. Best part? I got it for 600 euro – this is a joke. I have listened to stuff over 1000 euro and nothing plays better then this!
    Reloop is no longer Reloop 7 or 10 years ago. They have amazing products! Controller – TM8 is amazing when you consider it costs 400 euro (+ all metal). Turntable: 7000/8000 are the best TTs you can buy bar ‘new old mk2/mk5’ Technics (and these, of course, can be bought but new but cost 2000 euro each) – and I know it for a fact as my mate installs stuff for concerts and festivals in the USA so he knows what he is talking about and is relaying all this knowledge to me (wow/flutter the same as Technics, torque 3 times more then Technics and adjustable, great build, Ortofone carts collab and so on). Modular controller – Neon is extremely good. Headphones – rhp20 (cool looking, loud and powerful bass with a price to laugh at at 80 euro).
    There is definitely a ‘stigma for Reloop’ out there. I can see it with my friend DJs who laugh at Reloop as a brand. But that’s all to do with their experience with Reloop 10 years back. NOT NOW! I encourage everyone to give Reloop a try – you will not be disappointed. I think I will start a topic about ‘Reloop stigma’ and ‘present state of things’ in that matter. Particularly try the Groove Set PA system and you will be blown away by its sound and price (instead of buying ‘studio monitors’ which, as even the name suggests, are intended/desgined for studio use and work and not bedroom/home DJ practice/fun).

    cheers

    #2430481

    Arkadiusz Mikina
    Participant

    negatives I found so far with the MCX:
    -LED/light bleed but ‘only to the left’. you can easily see it in the dark. Nothing major but surprises me a bit beta testers haven’t noticed it – they must have so I suppose it has been ignored intentionally.
    -when touching the controller you can feel the electricity running through you/your hand (like when you put the laptop on charge)….not a nice feeling unfortunately
    -CUE LEDs are a joke – very little difference between on and off (they have to rectify with firmware update!) but I knew that from others before buying this controller 😉

    will post other stuff if it comes along
    cheers

    #2430841

    Matt Wester
    Participant

    I would strongly suggest the XDJ. I purchased the 8000 about a month ago and ended up returning it. I at first had the same thoughts as yourself, four decks, rubber pads, Serato availability etc and unfortunately, all of that will not overcompensate if the basics are not there first. I will say the build quality is great and I fully support Denon in being a player that is pushing innovation.

    There where two main factors that contributed to my suggestion for the XDJ. Layout and software. Engine software will only take mp3’s in 44.1 formatting and as it turns out, I have many tracks in 44.8. I find it cumbersome to convert every track before sorting a flash drive as compared to Rekordbox which I have not had these issues with. My main pull to the 8000 was for the standalone function and I have found it to be sub par to Rekordbox. I read a lot of reviews prior to my purchase and they all suggested the 8000 to be a Serato controller first with standalone capability. Turns out, they were right.

    In terms of layout, my hands would constantly hit the tempo fader, knocking my mixes out of beat. As you can imagine when both channels are in, you can hear the clash in real time. As you look at the XDJ the layout is a lot simpler and not as busy. I have come to find out that this is by design. This allows for faster movement with having to be as present to every hand placement and if you are already familiar with a cdj layout, muscle memory will be in your favor.

    Again, I think the 8000 is a great product in that is innovative and very ambitious. However, I now see why the more simple layout is better for me in terms of practicality and work flow.

    #2431091

    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    44.1KHz is CD-standard. 44.8KHz is something I never heard of. I am gonna assume you mean 48KHz. This is not an audio standard. It is actually used for sound on DVD’s (well sound ment to accompany video material). So it makes me wonder where you got your music from. If you ripped yourself, you have chosen the wrong format. If you bought tracks from proper music outlets, they should all be 44.1KHz (unless you are buying from artists directly in which case they can = sometimes = be in other formats like 24-bit 96KHz for example).

    Actually, since most sound cards (being made for audio) are 44.1KHz, some quality might get lost in the “translation”.

    So, to hold this against Denon/Engine isn’t fair :-).

    My suggestion would be to REACQUIRE your tracks in the proper 16-bit/44.1KHz format. Even if you convert your current 48KHz tracks, you will lose quality.

    The MC8000 is indeed a Serato controller with Engine backup, but you can easily play a standalone session if circumstances dictate (something as simple as having to do a quick one hour thing somewhere without going through the hassle of setting up laptop and such. just slap the 8000 on a table, drop in your stick and off you go).

    As a mobile DJ, I find the mic implementation (even if it’s seperate from the channel faders like on the SX) way less thought out than Denon (as always). I am used to setting my mic to the proper level and leaving it there, only hitting the on/off button to activate. Having to move your mic level knob every time leads to unwanted fluctuations in the level and on occasion feedback. Also having talk-over quickly available with a quick button is a bonus, as opposed to a small sliding switch. Then there is EQ. While the Pioneer has mic EQ, it’s for both mics at the same time. The whole idea about EQ on a mic is that you can set it to enhance audibility. And my voice is distinctly different from guests for example. Having separate EQ for both mics is therefor a very big plus. As is having a separate echo for the mic channels. Finally the placement of the mic controls at the top of the unit instead of next to the fader bank is not something I like. Us mobile jocks tend to use the mic quite extensively (for ourselves and for guest mics) and good control is paramount and a make-or-break feature for me. And one that Denon always seems to have done better than Pioneer in my very humble opinion.

    The MC8000 featuring 8 high quality performance pads is pretty much in line with current demands as well, as is witnessed by even most entry level controllers embedding this feature.

    The last thing that would put me off the XDJ-RX is two-channel operation. I usually have a desire to be able to hook up other things (like a guest bringing some things on a phone or the sound of a beamer/laptop). And while you can switch between deck and line, I strongly prefer having a separate and dedicated fader for those kinds of inputs, so I have both decks available at all times without having to throw switches (or forgetting to switch them back!).

    The choices available today are actually pretty mind-boggling at all budget levels. So there is something there for pretty much everybody.

    #2431101

    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Oh, and I almost forgot the needle drop strips, a feature that was one of the things I always like in Pioneer gear!

    #2431451

    Matt Wester
    Participant

    You are correct, typo, I meant 48. Most of my music is from bandcamp or the artist directly and as it turned out, many of them are in that format. Not an overwhelming majority, however, enough to notice. I do find it fair to hold it against Denon because their competition is supporting a wider range of formats, rekordbox, and this has become the standard for standalone capabilities. With that, I did not want to use ANOTHER DAW. With serato, engine, and keeping rekordbox tight for the club is all overkill for me. I would rather just keep Rekordbox and have DVS and be able to sort a flash drive. Again, this is all subjective and just my take on things.

    I will say the mic implementation is great with the exception of no reverb. On and Off button where great. Sound quality is great, build quality is good. Also, liked the needle strip. In serato, it defaulted to not having to touch the platter first to activate it. As I would hit the EFX, my finger would also hit the strip and jump the track. I’m sure that can be fixed with a setting.

    This is where we differ, I am not a mobile DJ. I am primarily a club DJ and I have a radio show on a local FM as well. I looked into the MCX as something that would hopefully alleviate me having to bring in club gear to the radio. In that aspect, having multiple channels for other inputs is not a primary focus for my radio sets.

    At this time, still using my 900 and CDJ’s and the RX is the closest to that so far that I have found. I would not use the RX for a club residency, but for the purpose that I bought the MCX for (radio), it would have better suited my needs. If I were a mobile DJ, then yes, the MCX offers benefits over the RX. Just depends on needs.

    #2431821

    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    I totally agree with Vintage and God I love the MCX for my radio show. I did now 2 shows with it and it is awesome.
    However no matter what I am using it 99% Serato, so I do not care about Rekordbox or Engine that much and most of my music is from iTunes, Beatport or Amazon (or ripped myself correctly). I even ran my mic over the MCX into the radio mixer because of the excellent talkover, which surprisingly outdid the radio mixers talkover feature.

    Actually the on the fly conversion of 48kHz files via the audio DAC will cause more artifacts and worse sound than pre-converting it to 44.1. I do not know that this is why Engine does not support it, or it is just an overlook, but I would always suggest to convert to the correct format for sound output (and yes the XDJ also has that issue).

    As for club use is where the MCX really shines. I have the tech set it up anyways, so no trouble there, but the cool thing is that I only use the laptop for browsing (as this is way easier on the laptop screen) and use the built in screens for the rest. This way I can place the laptop on the side and face the dancefloor better. Most outstanding feature is the way the iZotope effects run on the screens and you can easily swith them out with shortcuts, apart from the other Serato goodies that are just on your fingertips with the MCX layout.

    All in all I would not give up my MCX for the world.

    #2527881

    Struis
    Participant

    Nobody will probably ever read the reply, but the 48 KHz really is a standard. It’s what DAT used (Digital Audio Tape). So anyone who still backs up to DAT or uses one, or used to have one, might be inclined to still use it. At least it offers you the option to downsample to 44.1 if you want to, or keep the higher quality. You might be surprised to see how many 48 KHz mp3 and flac files are out there….

    #2528171

    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    That Struis we are well aware of, however the majority of DACs in pro gear is made for “CD quality” which is 44.1.
    Now unless you are at home in a quiet setting with a good room and an audiophile system (or good audiophile headphones) you will not hear the difference if you are over 20 years old.
    Over a PA system in a club (which mostly cut out at 18kHz and have way more artifacts by the house mixer alone) you have to be a wizard to hear the difference.
    This is also why most DJs agree that high quality mp3 or AAC is sufficient to DJ with and you wont need uncompressed WAV or ALS. The sound systems we play over are just not worth the effort.

    Now if you are a home user and have a good system (like me) and want to listen to music that does not come from an overcompressed source like most todays EDM, so lets say Japanese recordings of classic music, then by all means go higher.
    I have some excellent recordings of the Vienna Symphonic Orchestra by Sony Music Japan in 96kHz WAV. They sound amazing, but my DAC alone costs more than a Nexus system…

    #2529781

    Struis
    Participant

    I agree completely there. I just pointed out that there IS a standard for it. I do understand why it’s not used though.

    I use a Linn streamer, Harbeth speakers (BBC studio monitors) and a valve amp as my normal stereo. Data comes from a RPi 3 with Minimserver / Logitech Media Server and a 3 TB harddrive connected via USB (2.1 TB of those 3 TB are music files, mostly FLAC).

    It takes a while to get used to the ‘mp3 is sufficient’ thought. It’s counter intuitive for me 🙂

    Still, more mp3’s fit on a USB stick, so JEEJ 🙂

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