Review & Video: Pioneer Rekordbox DJ Software

Review Summary:

When it comes to DJ software, there have traditionally been three big names - Serato, Traktor and Virtual DJ. But now Rekordbox DJ, from Pioneer DJ, offers software DJs a viable fourth alternative. Not quite as refined as Serato, not as producer oriented as Traktor, and not compatible with everything like Virtual DJ, this is nonetheless a pretty good "first go"... and the potential of the platform is huge.

Rekordbox DJ
  • Rekordbox DJ
  • Rating: 4
  • From: Pioneer DJ
  • Price: $129
  • Reviewed by:
  • On November 4, 2015
  • Last modified:November 4, 2015
Rekordbox DJ

Rekordbox DJ is Pioneer's fully fledged DJ software, making it a direct competitor for Traktor, Serato DJ and Virtual DJ. In this review, we give you our opinion.

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When it comes to DJ software, there have traditionally been three big names - Serato, Traktor and Virtual DJ. But now a newcomer has arrived, with the potential to become the biggest of them all. Rekordbox DJ, from Pioneer DJ, offers software DJs a viable fourth alternative to the "big three". And of course, Pioneer DJ is not just any old company, but a company that has a near-stranglehold on the world's DJ booths, as well as a huge chunk of the consumer DJ hardware market.

But do we really need more DJ software? Isn't the choice hard enough with three, let alone four, systems to choose from? What can this new Rekordbox DJ software do that the others can't, anyway? In this review, we'll first look at how Rekordbox DJ came about in order to understand better how it fits in to the current DJing scene, then we'll look at the software itself, and conclude by giving you some pointers to help you decide if it is for you. First, though, a bit of history...

The roots of Rekordbox DJ

Way back in the mists of time (oh OK, about a decade or so ago), DJ software started to emerge as a viable way to mix music. Virtual DJ, Traktor and Serato all had programs that broadly did the same thing, and as hardware started to be made in order to control the software, the market entered a rapid stage of development, with all shapes and sizes of DJ controllers hitting the shelves, as well as DVS (digital vinyl) systems emerging as ways to control DJ software on laptops.

More recently, all the big names have got more and more capable of being plugged directly into modern DJ booth gear (which really means: Pioneer DJ gear), to be controlled directly from that gear, the idea being that a DJ turns up with a laptop running, Serato, Traktor or Virtual DJ, plugs in to a modern Pioneer set-up in a booth, and it all "just works".

One name conspicuously absent from all of this, though, has been Pioneer DJ itself. Its original line on software DJing was always that laptops don't belong in DJ booths (a sentiment many would agree with, of course) - and so its first take on DJ software was not a DJ program, but a DJ library management program: Rekordbox.

Not actually made by Pioneer itself (it was developed by a smaller DJ software company, Mixvibes), Rekordbox was simply designed to help DJs prepare their libraries for DJing from USB stick. The idea was that you'd turn up at the DJ booth and plug in a USB of all your prepared files, and the Pioneer gear would show you all you needed to see DJ from those files - waveforms, key info, cue points etc - on that gear's own built-in screens, making it a simpler life for the DJ rather than having to cart a delicate laptop around. As time went on, Pioneer's DJ booth gear got more and more of the features of controllers (detailed waveforms in colour, sync, etc), blurring the lines between the two ways of DJing.

Trouble was, not all DJs wanted to work that way. Even Pioneer realised that, finally deciding to release DJ controllers that worked with all the big names in DJ software, and coming to dominate that market (while at the same time pushing on with its Rekordbox concept for pro DJs). Now, though, with Rekordbox DJ, Pioneer has thrown its hand in and for the first time is offering DJs who want to DJ on Pioneer gear but who want to go the software/laptop route a fully in-house option for doing us - no need to resort to one of the other "big three".

So it's clearly big news (if Pioneer can get it right both in and out of the DJ booth, where does that leave the company's competitors?), but of course coming up with a great piece of DJ software from scratch is a really big ask (remember, that previous versions of Rekordbox were made by Mixvibes, not Pioneer DJ itself, unlike this one). How well has Pioneer done? What is likely to happen next? And more importantly for end users, what damned DJ software should you go for in this ever-more-complicated world? Let's dive in and find out...

First impressions and setting up

2-deck

The "standard" two-deck view within Rekordbox DJ, looking familiar to anyone used to Virtual DJ or Serato DJ.

First things first: Rekordbox DJ is offered as an in-app purchase to users of Pioneer's Rekordbox 4.0 software. Rekordbox 4.0 is the latest incarnation of the (free, as ever it was) library software we just talked of, which is very much alive and kicking, and can be used by any DJ to prepare music for DJing with on modern Pioneer gear in DJ booths, usually off of a USB drive. DJs who want to add the option of going down the "software route" with Pioneer simply choose to "add on" Rekordbox DJ as an option within Rekordbox 4.0, pay up (or take advantage of the 30-day free trial), and there it is - a fully fledged DJing program, looking to all intents and purposes like some child of Traktor and Serato. Particularly Serato.

In fact, you have to dig deep, at least initially, to find anything about the program that doesn't feel instantly familiar (assuming you're used to one or more of the other programs, that is). Stacked, multicolour waveforms? Check. Library at the bottom of screen, folder tree left? Yup. (Rekordbox DJ does have cute little waveform previews that the others don't, though.) Switchable extra panels for things like pads, effects, sampler, recording etc? Yes, there they are. Quantize? Naturally. iTunes integration? Sure thing. Ability to switch views (two deck, four deck etc)? Yup, there it is. The software even has that legendary DJ software trait of being "not quite as good as iTunes" when it comes to music management. (Please, let's have smart crates! You know you want to...)

Rekordbox DJ works with a whole host of Pioneer controllers (note: only Pioneer), and there's a full list on the Pioneer website; we tested it on a DDJ-SX and a WeGO3, because we don't have either of the new Pioneer controllers (namely the DDJ-RX and DDJ-RZ) here at this point to test with. You can DJ with it with no hardware at all if you want, though, or just with an audio interface; on Mac, Rekordbox DJ had no problem spotting the two audio interfaces we tried it with, which included the NI Audio 2 and an Apollo Twin.

In use

vertical

The vertical two-deck view in Rekordbox DJ, which is of course reminiscent of the classic Serato Scratch Live view.

So up and running, time for a road test! While overall Rekordbox DJ does feel very busy (don't know if it's just my eyes, but I struggled with the size of the library font in particular, although it is configurable), you do get lots of choice over how things look. As well as choosing your panels as just stated, you can do clever stuff like break the library away and have it on a separate monitor entirely (great for resident DJs in custom-designed booths). Like Traktor, you can choose blue or multicoloured waveforms.

So initial configuration of the look of the software done, you going to want to beatgrid your tunes, and the beatgridding is comprehensive and feels very tight, plus you get a metronome (just like with Traktor) to help. While a couple of readers reported crashing while beatgridding, we didn't find that to be the case. Anyway often you won't need to grid your tracks at all, as the analysis is tight - not surprising really as Pioneer DJ has been offering great track analysis in Rekordbox for a long time now. It is fast too, trawling through four tracks at a time (at least, on our MacBook Pro). We did find beatgridding limited "on the fly" though, for small corrections when actually DJing.

Playing a simple, straightforward DJ set with Rekordbox DJ, really we were hard pushed to find stuff that felt notably different from using any DJ software. One omission was that played tracks didn't appear to get greyed out, which felt like an obvious thing to have included - presumably like some of the other little bugs and omissions people have been pointing out, this is a v1 thing that'll quickly be fixed - it certainly needs to be.

The FX are great! Pioneer has great hardware FX and that knowledge informs the FX implementation here. You get "Color FX" where you find per-channel filters and lots of other goodness, standard assignable FX engines with lots of choices, and "Pad FX" including some instant slip looping options Nobody can say Pioneer hasn't been comprehensive here, and they sound excellent.

pad

The Pad FX section, which has two switchable "layers" and is of course mapped to the pads on compatible DJ controllers.

Speaking of pads, having the pads nicely laid out on screen makes them easily accessible, and in fact, despite the overall fiddliness of the screen layout (I wouldn't like trigger hot cues using just the mouse, for instance), you can DJ pretty OK on this using (configurable) keyboard shortcuts and/or the mouse - great for "tray table" DJ sets on planes, and something you can't do with Serato, for instance.

Just a quick word about the keyboard mappings: There doesn't seem to be any concept of "active deck" or "deck switching" so you can't have, say, eight hot cues mapped to numbers 1 to 8 and just deck switch - you'd need totally different key combos for each deck.

The sampler is similar to the SP-6 in Serato with Remix Decks elements thrown in, with four banks of 16 samples giving you 64 in total. There's a sequencer built in too, though, which although we didn't massively play with it, is something of interest to DJ/producers who can of course use such a thing to perform with their own sounds and samples live. (Funnily enough, this isn't actually something totally new to DJ software; DJUCED software - the package that comes with some Hercules DJ controllers - also has a step sequencer.)

One nice thing about Rekordbox DJ is that it works with Pioneer's consumer gear like CDJ350s, for instance, so DJs with such gear can get into software DJing via that route if they so wish. We didn't test it with such gear, or with pro booth gear (ie CDJ900nexus etc), but apparently you don't get the waveform displays on the pro stuff, as you do when DJing from USB. If this is the case, it seems a bit weird - but then again, maybe Pioneer thinks such DJs would not want to use software. I'm not so sure, certainly going forward it would be good to see this integration tightening up. After all, the other big software names have got some pretty good Pioneer integrations going on.

standard fx

The "standard"-type FX engines have three FX per engine, selectable from those visible in this drop-down menu.

Overall, we were pretty impressed, DJing for several hours without issue - commendable for a brand new program. Scratching sounded inferior on this compared to the others (far more "digital", and needs to be improved), but here in the studio we didn't experience any of the jogwheel latency we've heard some DJs complaining of, so all we can say from our point of view is that it worked overall very well. That said, one of our staff used it at a gig and ended up having issues and switching to another program, so the jury's our as of this moment on reliability. Again, very usual for a brand new program, almost to be expected.

Switching back to Serato, though, made us realise how much slicker that program currently is in appearance and feel. Rekordbox DJ feels in comparison rough around the edges, maybe again inevitable at this stage of its life; for instance, there was an odd mix of Retina-friendly and double-pixel stuff going on, giving it an untidy feel, and I've already mentioned the squashed nature of some of the features. Oh, and we didn't particularly like vertical waveform mode, feeling the waveforms could have been longer.

Even the intentional but to us rather off-putting "welcome to the flight deck" feel of Traktor seems oddly more organised in comparison (maybe just a familiarity thing). As we say, it's a v1. We're going to cut the aesthetics some slack, for now at least, and the mini-CDJs for decks are at least a distinctive factor in an otherwise un-noteworthy appearance.

Conclusion

4-deck

Four decks in horizontal mode plus the mixer: The screen can get ridiculously busy (note the library has all but disappeared).

So truth it, right now this works, it's like a carbon copy of the best bits of everything else, and... that's about it. It's when you look at the potential that you realise how important this release could be.

Never mind that DVS and video are both coming (will Pioneer implement its own DVS timecode? Almost definitely), meaning Rekordbox DJ will even more match feature-to-feature the other big names. The point is that from the lowliest $250 DJ controller up to the biggest Ibiza or Vegas DJ booths, Pioneer will shortly be able to offer a continuous, logical route, using only its own hardware and software.

Rekordbox DJ isn't perfect yet as we've pointed out, but we reckon other software makers will be watching carefully, to put it mildly. If Pioneer DJ comes up with an "Intro" version to bundle for free with cheaper controllers, with an upgrade path (like the others do to a greater or lesser extent) - and you have to assume that it will do both of these things - it is going to have a stranglehold over a big section of the DJ market, absolutely no doubt.

library

Here is the library view, with the decks shrunk right to the top of the screen allowing much easier access to the music collection.

It won't be game, set and match, though. Even assuming the product continues to improve, the truth is that many DJs are currently very happy turning up at venues to play on the existing gear using Serato or Traktor DVS, and indeed are forced to by the fact that that gear is old and wouldn't work well (or at all) with Rekordbox anyway. We reckon most DJ booths globally fall into such a category. DVS DJs, even if they could switch to using Rekordbox DJ in their booths, won't gain anything substantial by doing so. Other DJs still will be wary of buying into a Pioneer-only ecosystem, just as a proportion of computer and smartphone users are wary of buying inot Apple's "closed garden".

keyboard

Keyboard mapping is made simple with a pretty comprehensive section to let you get your laptop-only settings exactly how you want them.

But actually, rather than making life harder for new DJs (who now have four platforms instead of three to pick from), Pioneer may just have made it easier. Because as long as you're happy to go "the Pioneer way or the highway", and the clubs in your area are up to date with modern, Rekordbox friendly Pioneer gear (as time goes on, that'll be more and more, of course), you can't go wrong getting into DJing via this route.

All the work you do from "day one to superstardom" on your music library - beatgridding, cue points etc - will be available to you on any modern Pioneer gear, whether you're DJing using Rekordbox DJ with your laptop and a controller, Rekordbox DJ with your laptop in the DJ booth, or via USB the "standard" Rekordbox way. Even DJing from just your keyboard! Learning curves will be shallower. Attention will be more on the music, less on the gear. That has to be a good thing.

And actually, if DVS comes along as promised and Pioneer manufactures audio interfaces to let you use its DVS solution on any equipment, then in fact, even the aforementioned DJs who are currently very happy turning up at venues to play on the existing gear using DVS and one of the other software systems will have no reason not to use Rekordbox DJ, albeit no particular reason to use it.

So what should you go for, dear beginner DJ? As of today, we'd say that if you want to DJ with no-jogwheel controllers and are primarily aiming to push the boundaries of electronic music as a DJ/producer, you should still go with Traktor. If you're a more general DJ in the broadest possible sense, anyone from a scratch DJ to a wedding jock, Serato DJ is established and will not let you down. And if you play karaoke, video, mobile, and want the ultimate in flexibility (it works with anything), Virtual DJ is a good choice.

But if you think you're more or less always going to be using Pioneer gear, and you want to keep your life simple, and indeed if you're not sure whether or not you want to DJ from laptop (controller/DVS/HID), or USB drive, or even both - well, Rekordbox/Rekordbox DJ is an ecosystem you should seriously consider. And while at the time of writing it's too early to tell how well the market will adopt this new platform, we see no reason why it won't become one of, if not the, biggest DJ platform of them all - and potentially pretty quickly at that.

Review Summary:

When it comes to DJ software, there have traditionally been three big names - Serato, Traktor and Virtual DJ. But now Rekordbox DJ, from Pioneer DJ, offers software DJs a viable fourth alternative. Not quite as refined as Serato, not as producer oriented as Traktor, and not compatible with everything like Virtual DJ, this is nonetheless a pretty good "first go"... and the potential of the platform is huge.

Rekordbox DJ

  • Rekordbox DJ
  • Rating: 4
  • From: Pioneer DJ
  • Price: $129
  • Reviewed by:
  • On November 4, 2015
  • Last modified:November 4, 2015

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Comments

  1. I own a Pioneer DDj-SX...Does RekordBox work with my controller? do I have to buy the RekordBox software?

  2. Kithaeron Music says:

    rekordbox DJ just updated to v.4.0.2 with the ability to show waveforms on CDJs/XDJs.

  3. Jürgen Van Hoof says:

    I've just read the full review and think it will be a great piece of software when all bugs get fixed, and we'll get more midi controllers that will be nativly mapped.
    I use Mixvibes and Serato as software and by seeing the video it seems (and that's just my opinion) that the corporation between Pioneer and MV is still active. I can't get it out of my head: the GUI of MV and the new recordbox have got to much simularities, for instance the librarie and all it's aspects are a copy of the MV.
    Here is a vid of the MV program https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u02PxSw_1Bg and now please tell me i'm seeing ghosts !

    Cheers J

    • I can tell you 100% that this is not from the Mixvibes team.

    • I will go even further, the keyboard/midi mapping of each of the software companies is THE point that will let you know if anything is common or not. You can change GUI, behavior but not ground built features like these.

      And guess what ? The screen provided of the keyboard mapping is exactly the same as the MV one. For me it is the same core software with add-on. They have removed the shitty part like fx, and reskin the beast.

      When midi mapping and video will be out, we will know for sure. Probably MV is not working for them but they probably sold some core elements to allow Pioneer to go faster.

      You can't start from scratch that quick into the dj software world and have so many features packed.

  4. Phil, don't forget SeratoDJ does video & also play's karaoke files.
    V1.8 now offers key detection (which, dare I say..... is just as good as MIK)
    Key adjust & key matching (PnT required), as well as..... controller remapping (thought would never happen)
    So apart from needing a dedicated Serato controller, it actually is just as versatile as VDJ.
    As for Rekordbox DJ, I use a SX2 & have cdj's at the club.
    However I personally don't think Rekordbox DJ offer's me enough to get me to move from SDJ.
    I think people that have already invested in PnT, FX, DVS / Club-kit packs won't be too easily swayed.
    It's a pretty good start for a 1st try software though & I really enjoyed playing with it.
    I loved the pad FX & 2nd screen (real winner!!). The sequencer doesn't sync as nicely as I would've liked.
    There's no-way to 'bend' or 'push' samples if they drift, which renders it pretty much a 'toy' for now.
    Even though there are buttons on the SX2 for the 'slice to sampler' feature.
    Pioneer have intentionally left it unmapped in order to promote their new DDJ-RX & DDJ-RZ controllers.
    This is a typical Pioneer strategy that kinda forces people into purchasing new gear in order to utilise
    full functionality of the software, even though there are alternative ways to do it.
    That shows me that Pioneer is a very greedy company.
    Whoa......... Sorry for the long post.
    Thanks for the great site & review.

    • Mark Davis says:

      "V1.8 now offers key detection (which, dare I say….. is just as good as MIK"?? Unlikely, even if their key detection algorithm is as accurate as MIK, because Pioneer uses old-fashioned key signatures instead of keycodes when reporting key detection results.

  5. Peter Lee says:

    Not had a play around with it yet however gutted they havent supported the ddj sb2 and doesnt look like they will be anytime soon makes me wonder if a ddj rb is on the horizon with some sort of intro version or its because they wanna sell more ddj rx units 1st

  6. Kenny Schachat says:

    At clubs and club-related events in the S.F. Bay area, DJs almost exclusively use Pioneer decks with USB drives - very few show up with laptops. I think there's a culture thing that using a laptop isn't "real" DJing. A lot of them say that they don't want to deal with bringing a fragile laptop, controller, etc. to gigs - they like only have to show up with a USB drive.

    I don't think that Rekordbox DJ is going to change that.

    • Of course it's not... but it does give those same DJs another option away from the clubs (private parties, at home etc).

    • I have to disagree. I don't think it is in Pioneer's interest to change that. They wan't people to buy their over priced high end DJing equipment. The fact that they have ventured into the controller market and now the software market is an acknowledgement of the fact that the statuesque is changing slowly. Just wait, in 10 years time many clubs aren't going to have a CDJ set up. Why would they pay for it when a DJ can arrive with a laptop and a controller and do the same job. It just takes one or two pro DJs to go to a festival and say "no thanks, move that stuff aside, I would rather use my controller."

  7. Walter White says:

    I cant believe you guys completely missed the most important feature of rekordbox dj that none of the other software packages have.... REKORDBOX DJ has a RELATIONSHIP DATABASE FEATURE. Probably the most important feature in library organization to be added to a DJ software since key detection. As an alpha tester for N2IT making final scratch and a beta tester for Native Instruments developing Traktor ... i begged both these companies for years to add this feature to their software... and all i got was Blah Blah Blah, its on the the TO-DO list.

    with Rekordbox DJ... you can build a relationship between tracks and call up only the tracks you have a relationship build with. So you can play a track... mix in the next track... realize that the tracks are a perfect match and build a relationship with them live on the fly. Now when your playing a track... you can pull up a list of all the tracks you have established a relationship with that track... This is HUGE. I cant believe you guys by-passed that feature on your review.

  8. Jelle Lembregts says:

    I'm a serato DJ for now, and though I haven't got many real live gig expertise, I've been playing some private parties etc. I have though been busy for 2 years preparing, analyzing my big music library and after all this, my music is all ready-to-dj. so the biggest feature I would like for a new software if it wants me to swap, is a way to bring all the metadata, cue points, bpm, beatgridding and so on into the library of my new software. It is a bit ridiculous to have to start over from scratch with a big library, to throw away these daily hours of working on your music. That is the biggest step for me, even if the new software is better in every section or part, I'd still have to do endless hours of work over again, ain't gonna happen!

    • Yeah is exactly this issue I am having when deciding on what's the best way forward!
      Don't get my wrong I do enjoy using my DDJ-SX with Serato and think it's a great piece of software, of which I have spent hours and hours preparing my tunes with beat griding, cue points etc.... I just find that unless I take my controller / laptop everywhere with me I lose all these hard work as it's not recognized or integrated with the Pioneer software and don't think it every will be (unless someone knows anything different).

      It seems like the majority of places that I go that the Pioneer brand / gear seems to be standard, so unless I start using the software (i.e. Rekordbox), I'll never be able to just jump straight on the decks ready to go!

      Any ideas / suggestions would be appreciated!?

  9. I've jumped on the Rekordbox bandwagon. I'm been DJing for a large number of years but dropped out of it around 2008 due to personal stuff. Got back into it there a while back and had a play with Traktor with Pioneer gear and absolutely hated it. Using Traktor with CDJs just does not work. I wanted the Traktor route to work so much with Pioneer gear as I love the STEMS and remix deck concept but it simply will not work well. You lose all the colorful waveforms and the whole Pioneer ecosystem advantages. Anyway, long story short, I moved over to Rekordbox full time after that. I think if you are using pioneer gear as standard then rekordbox should be the way forward. It is early days yet but I do beleive the Pioneer equivalents of the standalone NI controllers (F1, D1 etc) should be on their way pretty soon. I cannot wait for them to release one half of their top spec controller. All I want is one half of it as I dont need the mixer.

    AS a music manager it is top dog, I cannot fault it. It "greens out" your tracks once played as opposed to "greyed out" (Phil, the article above is incorrect when it says it does not indicate played tracks). Also, even using Rekordbox 3 it will display big juicy waveforms along with the mini waveform on the CDJ screens.

    I have always been a Pioneer fanboy from the CDJ 1000 days. The EFX-1000 and RMX-1000 add ons are just awesome. The fact that Rekordbox allows me to keep my head out of a laptop while playing is without price for me, something that other software does not offer in my opinion.

    The sky is the limit as to where they decide to take Rekordbox. I can definitely see it sailing to the top spot in a very short space of time. But they need to bring out standalone controllers to cater for the folk that already have CDJs and a top end mixer.

    Quant, I believe the new version of Rekord Buddy, once released will give you the compatibility solutions you need. I have used the original version to much success.

  10. Daniela Dj says:

    I am super disappointed and frustrated with the pioneer dj software, it doesn't function at all, it has been 3 weeks it doesn't connect at all, With the amateur wego 3 it is plug and play, when it comes to cdj nexus 2000 and djm 2000 nexus doesnt work at all. For 3 weeks I keep asking for help at pioneer forum and to their customer service. I sent pictures today to see if finally either works or I get a refund. This software in comparison with Traktor so far it's totally terrible. I have been forced to dj for 4 weeks with USB only as this thing doesn't work at all. SHAME on you pioneer to launch a not fully developed software

    • Walter White says:

      Ya... Pioneer releases and sells their products from the top down. always releasing the most expensive controller in a product line first trying to drive the super anxious buys into upgrading to something they dont need. Profit priority crap. But when it comes to product development they make the crappy stuff work and leave bugs all over the industry standard equipment that really matters. the RekordboxDJ / CDJ2000NXS HID functionality is a joke. what a disaster. we will see if they managed to fix anything with 4.0.3. testing it tonight.

      • Daniela Dj says:

        When I heard they were launching a dj software I was excited. This was in August , I stopped using traktor and was preparing on Rekordbox till the pioneer dj would be launched (got tired of traktor freezing and restricted use on cdjs besides fiddly sound card and time code), when pioneer dj came out it worked ok with nexus set up ( there was was no drive so I used the mixer as an aggregate device) after a month trial decide to purchase in a hope with time would get better, well couldn't be more wrong after one week, the software didn't work at all on the nexus setup, but no issues on wego3, it's is a joke, it means I can not use this software professionaly. Pioneer support its terrible, for 3 long weeks tried on their forum and customer service and it gets nowhere. Today I sent picture to their customer service of the set up and step by step connection. They replied they will investigate lol. I am sure I am not the only one. When the software works it is not great either, the bpm keeps changing it all over the place, not impressed. Expected much more but it's just a gimmick. I do not recommend at all, good marketing but the product it's shameful.

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