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Gontran Bonaert

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  • November 30, 2015 at 5:50 pm in reply to: Rebuilding Vestax ? #2307141
    Gontran Bonaert
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    That is what i was afraid of.

    Thanks for the information.

    November 26, 2015 at 9:59 am in reply to: Sensations on a midi controller ? Internal mixer and sound ? #2305181
    Gontran Bonaert
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    Thanks to share your opinions 😉

    I never do big parties but more small one and i usually record a set once every month and then listen op my Smartphone, Car, Home… and still, the sound is less aggressive and so much warmer on a analogic mixer than on any DJ software with Audio DJ2/4. I Have tried internal and external recording.

    Recently at a wedding, friends and i found the sound not excellent, it was the latest Pioneer controller with Serato, i’ve informed the DJ because i found also the sound bad but everything was green. Master and everything was only 50% high. So lot of headroom. We both couldn’t explain and we had drunk a lot already 😉

    When we had parties with Rodec mixers and CD’s, we never felt such things and most of the same songs where played (Dance of 90’s and some rock of 80’s and some recent dance songs)

    So yes, clearly, i do hear a big difference, specially when i listen to my recorded set.

    I have been testing Mixxx beta recently and that provides me lot of mixing sensations of a physical mixer but still nothing close to the sweet and warm sound of my analog mixer.

    I do sometimes pratice sets with my headphones only, if i do a set with DJ controller or with my Analogue mixer, my ears are way more tired with the Midi Controller than my Analogue Mixer. I mean i feel it, on a midi controller, i felt i have been mixing two hours instead of one.

    Are you all listening to your recorded sets ?

    November 24, 2015 at 8:49 am in reply to: Sensations on a midi controller ? Internal mixer and sound ? #2304221
    Gontran Bonaert
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    @DJ Vintage,

    Every mixer is a bit modifying the sound, just take Rodec, Vestax and you will see a difference with the EQ at exact same positions.

    For exemple, the basses are a bit lighter from what i’ve heard on a DJM 800.

    The same exist also in DJ software, Traktor and Mixxx does not sound at all the same.

    I found this topic 6 years ago which exactly explain what i think.

    I have tried using all possible setups and I found the near perfect one: Xone 4D + Traktor Pro + Mac OS X.

    If you have bad speakers & amps the difference is not so big. If you use good PA systems (Nexo, Qube etc.), the difference is HUGE!

    I am only saying this: listen with your own ears a GOOD external setup (Xone 3D/4D, RME Fireface + Xone 92, RME Fireface + Rane mixer, Ecler EVO 5). Once you HEAR it, you cannot deny the difference compared to mixing internally in any DJ software.

    Many times, no one form your audience will consciously perceive that the sound is better, but their SUBCOUNSCIOUS mind will. They will feel better and won’t be able to explain why. Same goes with the speakers: go to a club with home made or cheap PA systems. You will feel “tired” after a few hours and you will not be able to talk to anyone near you because of the sound. Then go to a club with good sound (Nexo, Qube). You will be able to talk to other people even if the sound is very loud, and you will not feel tired at all!!!

    Just for the record: mixers like Pioneer DJM 800 or Korg Zero 4 are not analogue mixers. The summing is digital. That’s why it does not matter too much if you use one of these or mix internally. But try Rane, A&H or Ecler mixer combined with a good soundcard and you will be amazed.

    I guess that the only way for internal mixing to get closer to good analogue mixers would be that someone would design an algorothm that would EMULATE all the real electric components of a good mixer (A&H, Rane)… I have no idea when this will happen, and I don’t know how much computing power it would need 😀

    November 20, 2015 at 1:09 pm in reply to: Sensations on a midi controller ? Internal mixer and sound ? #2302521
    Gontran Bonaert
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    Thanks to all to share your commments and feelings.

    To be more accurate, two things are really far from being as a internal mixer.

    First, the warm sound of a Vestax/Rodec/… (or any equivalent) analog mixer. That is missing so much even on high end soundcards.

    Two, mixing sensations.

    I’ve been tested nearly all the demo DJ software of the market since the start of this topic and my outcome is really strange.

    It seems that the way i use to mix on my physical mixer is in fact not working or badly working only on Traktor. Limiter on or off, also with Autogain on and off, other EQ tested aswell.

    Mixxx and Cross to take these two examples are giving me more sensations like my physical mixer. So, this is really strange.

    It is sure that the warm sound of a analog mixer is still very far 😉

    I’ve created a NI ticket in order to share them my sensation.

    I really should indeed try one of the latest controller but by experience, i prefer to have two small controllers connected to one small mixer. Even with Macos or good laptops, you never know what can happen and i want to avoid a single point of failure.

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