A flashy pair of RCA cables. But is it really necessary to spend a lot on your DJ cables, or will cheaper ones do?
Digital DJ Tips reader Maurice writes: “Recently did a gig where my RCA cable gave me trouble. Fortunately for me the sound guy at the venue was kind enough to help out with one of his own. I had to then go and buy some new ones of my own but was bombarded with choices of different brands and prices.
“My question is: What is the real difference, if any, in relation to sound quality, and are the vast price variations really justified? What would you recommend I buy? I will need a cable that is strong and won’t easily get damaged but that will also deliver in terms of sound quality.”
Digital DJ Tips says:
While most manufacturers will hit you with all kinds of claims as to why their cables are the best, truth is you get what you pay for – better quality cable always sounds (a bit) better than “bell wire” cheap cable. The wire in them is better at carrying a pure signal.
You’re looking for physically well made cables, with gold-plated RCA connectors. They should be the right length for what you need them for (you don’t want to be stretching them, conversely you don’t want them ridiculously long when plugged in as they’re more likely to pick up interference). Apart from that it’s down to what’s available and what you can afford. Most cables at any given price point will sound about the same.
It’s down to what’s available and what you can afford. Most cables at any given price point will sound about the same.
It’s when you get to “balanced” cables that are used to carry signals over long distances (20ft or more) where you may start to hear a bigger sound quality change, but that’s due more to the way the cables work electrically, rather than the quality of their construction. As all RCA-to-RCA cables are “unbalanced” by nature (don’t worry if none of this makes any sense), as long as they’ve been carefully made with good quality materials you won’t go far wrong whichever you choose.
(By the way, while we’re talking cables: While there are premium brands of USB cable out there, as USB is digital, of all the cables in the system these are the ones least likely to cause you worries, they’re these. In this instance, just make sure they fit snugly and you’ll be fine.)
Over to you: Can you advise? What brand of RCA cables do you use? Do you think it makes a difference? Please share your thoughts in the comments.
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I have cheapo RCA cables from Target. I haven’t had a problem yet but they need to be replaced soon due to metal corrosion.
I really do think gold plated, or non corroding plating is the way to go for all jacks.
[ link ]Same here. Either that or I use Wal-Mart. Plus I agree about the gold plate too.
[ link ]Just as the article implies, what makes the difference is mainly being well built and withstanding the usual “pulls” and “pushes” in and out of mixers. Do NOT fall for marketing tricks that guide silly “audiophiles” into buying 1000$ priced RCA cables.
You have been warned!
[ link ]I’ve got some uber expensive RCA’s and some super cheap budget ones and I can’t tell the difference in sound quality between the two.
[ link ]I totally agree with the article. It is true that you get what you pay for, but I also think that some very expensive RCA cables, are way too overpriced for what they give for(Pioneer DAS-RCA020R, fors example can cost more than 200 USD). I think no one should pay more than 50 euros for a pair of excellent ones! I’d always go for the balanced TRS or XLR cables anyways!
[ link ]None whatsoever. While it’s advised to get somewhat of a sturdy cable, a €5 cable will work just as good as a €500 cable.
Some say they can hear the difference, but on the average PA system, this is certainly a moot point.
If you want to be sure: solder your own. Make sure the joins are good and you’re good to go.
[ link ]I only hear the diffrence in RCA’s in my car with a high power amp(the thicker the better), but on my home and dj setup i don’t hear the diffrence although i use high end cables (it’s just a matter of feeling, and i like how it looks)
[ link ]I don’t see the point in expensive cables.
[ link ]If a nightclub/bar has a bad Quality mixer, or speakers, even the most expensive cables won’t make up for it.
As with all cables cheap ones are never any good and are of poor build quality I always buy mid range cables as you get a fair build n they give better quality outputs
[ link ]I but 99p cables from ebay, have had the odd one break and even one that had the red/black ends the wrong way round at one end, but sound-quality wise they’re no worse than £200 cables honestly! although they break more often they are ultra cheap so it doesnt matter, and at 99p a set you can have plenty of spares – and you should ALWAYS have spares, but sod spending £200 on a spare cable that may never get used…..
[ link ]Best cables by far for the price and the performance are Hosa. I messed with Monster, PlanetWave (awesome but pricey), and every off brand you’ve never heard of. Hosa cables are competitively priced and have outlasted all other cables I use besides PlanetWave, but again PlanetWave are pricey (worth it if you don’t have a gear budget to watch). I’ve talked to a lot of guys over a decade long career. There’s a lot fuse out there about cables, many DJ’s claim better sound with special HD cables, others like whatever comes with the equipment they buy (stealing rca’s from their home stereo). For my hard earned DJ dollar Hosa have been the way to go.
[ link ]I agree with Ray, Hosa wins the RCA cable war hands down. And a side note to Maurice: always buy two of every cable that you need. That would avoid that situation where you have to be reliant on someone else for you performing your set. Then when you have to replace a bad cable, you only have to repurchase one, which then becomes the back-up.
[ link ]You might want to consider Blue Jeans cables. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/
[ link ]They are well regarded in audiophile circles but are well priced compared to Monster etc.. They are made to your specification. I use both their interconnects and speaker wire for my DJ,home theater, and stereo setups.
There is no point to go overboard with these cables but I can say avoid cheap cables. The sound differences are probably something HiFi guys will get into, but it’s mostly bullshit anyway, the difference between good cable and super-hyper-mega-good one is microscopic and not relevant at all in club situation.
But buy GOOD ones, both the RCA and USB. Even with digital it matters. It’s not about the sound quality (although cheap RCA cables can pick up a considerable amount of interference). It’s about RELIABILITY. Even USB cables can corrode, and become loose and when USB cable loses connectivity for a fraction of the second the damage is much worse than in case of RCA cable crackling a bit. Your audio interface for example may drop out completely, stopping your entire set and filling the dancefloor with silence.
Buy good quality audio cables from a decent shop. Cold plated connectors to avoid corrosion, tight and solid connectors which don’t bend or wear out. Strong cables that can handle coiling up, and being accidentally stood on. Good shielding on audio cables to protect them from interference.
Good price point is actually around 20 euros for 1.5m RCA stereo pair. But you can find cheaper ones too that serve you well. I wouldn’t go much higher with those prices.
[ link ]Thereare some cable companies that just basically offer ‘snake oil’. Avoid the ultra cheap, other than that its same, same but different. However, if you have serious hi-fi kit, then I would recommend you look at Chord, the only ones I’ve heard make a difference and would get only marginally better for paying higher priced brands than them. In any case, in hifi world they recommended to spend no more than 10% of budget or set up value on cables.
As for USB cables, on the surface of it yes they are all digital, but I read somwhere (DJ Tech Tools?) that not all of them properly meet the USB 2.0 spec, they should have “USB 2.0″ written along the length and some will come with a detachable lable with the USB logo on it. To be honest getting incorrect speed reads or devices not recognized was more a problem on pc, possibly due to poorly written drivers, funno, but do know not had it on the Mac, but hey ho I don’t want to start that
[ link ]I just bought a set of monster usb cables and a thicker firewire 800 cable and the usb made a huge difference in serato. Speed times are faster with better fire wire cables . Rca cables are no big difference. But just to have them is cool
[ link ]Don’t know how readily available they are outside the UK, but everyone I know use the generic phono cables often branded Skytronic.
They’re distributed by whoever does Soundlab and Altai etc.
Blue cables with solid silver-coloured connectors. OFC cable and gold connections.
A step up from totally bog-standard cables, sturdy enough to last a while, and sound as good as anything under ‘silly money’ prices.
Anything from £3-15 depending on length, and where you buy them. My local sound & light shop sells that for slightly more than online, but they’re useful in a hurry.
For the cheapest prices just search for ‘HQ phono cable’ on eBay and hundreds of that specific type show up.
[ link ]Side note: the cables I describe there also don’t have super tight connectors like some of the ‘pro’ brands. I’ve knackered a few phono sockets over the years with those…
[ link ]super tight??
i’ve bought “loose” cables, but a bending the outside part in a bit soon sorts that – for free….
[ link ]I use Mogami XLR cables but they also make RCA. They are on the pricier side but are a one time purchase as they have a lifetime no fault warranty. This means that if your cable ever fails for any reason whatsoever including stupidity on our part, you can walk into any participating authorized dealer and swap out the cable. Direct from their website “Lifetime Warranty
[ link ]All Mogami cable assemblies are made with the finest cable, connectors, and assembly practices in the industry. We are extremely proud of our reliability, and problems are quite rare. However, should you experience trouble with our product, our Lifetime (“No Excuses”) warranty to the original purchaser assures you are completely protected should something unfortunate occur.”
+1 I use Mogami cables and love them!
[ link ]Personally I think that just like with speaker cable, high quality Rca’s are essential for professional sound. Why spend hundreds or thousands on controllerS, laptops, cdjs and mixers when the leads careering your sound are inferior. They are an equally important part of your setup.
[ link ]I can assure you the quality of the copper in cheap cables is the same as in the dear cables AND the same as any connections inside every piece of dj equipment…
[ link ]Your statement about USB cables is not completely true, as far my experience goes..
[ link ]Years ago when I bought a scanner for my PC the original USB cable was not long enough, so I used a longer one I had lying around.
The scan failed at about 50% every time, drove me nuts.
Thanks to google I found a thread saying the cable to be the problem.
So I placed the scanner more closly to the PC and used the original cable .. and it worked!
So when buying USB cable I would not risk buying the cheap ass ones but at least one labeled USB 2.0 “High speed” certified. I later bought a longer cable with this label and didn’t have any problems with it.
Actually I have had a similar experience with retractable, thin “travel” USB cables. Point taken.
[ link ]Because I’m always on a budget I’m careful where I spend what money I can spare. I’ve also found over the years, with any digital related hardware, its better to buy used good quality then spend the same money on lesser brand new products. For home audio I bought 2nd user Cambridge Audio cables. Theres always a few about as the firm supplys cables with its hardware which are half decent quality, but the folks who buy CA often invest in more expensive cables so the “factory” ones get sold. I found them too warm (if that makes sense) for DJ use, although that was for electronic/computer music, for anything else they might be just right! I bought a set of IXO cabels for joining my sound card (novation nio, behringer UCA or Creative Express Card) to the mixer. They sounded great, and came as a pair, so I put them on my Denon DNS1200s and took a chance on a cable by Chinese maker Choseal. I also have others, I had a month of buying lots of used half decent RCA cables from Ebay, and in my opinion the Choseal cable sounds the best, its also the best made with what looks like the best cable when you unscrew the plug. I’m not an audiophile, I cant afford to be (grins) but I can afford a vintage Sansui receiver and Wharfedale Mach 3 speakers (£30 total inc PnP) which enabled me to test the cables quite well. I reckon buy what you can afford, but if like me you can only afford bog standard red/white plastic RCAs you can afford 2nd user HiFi cables. BUT like another member said DONT fall for mega expensive cables, tests have proved that theres little, if any, difference in sound quality between budget audiophile and high end and then you need a really good “steampunk” record deck to even start to hear it.
[ link ]Buy El Cheapo first. Only person who’s liable to complain is the “professional” or other DJ who wish they had your gig. If nobody else complains, keep mixing the block-rockin’ beats.
[ link ]I’m with DJ Stone on this one. For the price of one pair of expensive cables I can buy a cheap pair (that sound the same) and have another 25-50 spare pairs for when (not if) the cheap cable fails.
I’ve had to bail out other DJs on more than one occasion because their cables had failed or they had even forgot to pack their “gold” cables. guess what, my cheap cables worked fine…
[ link ]You can buy gold connectors from electronics supply stores for only a couple of dollars each.
If you are looking to save some money and have the skills or know someone who does you could make your own custom cables for not very much at all!
[ link ]I’ve never had any issue with Live Wire from Guitar Center. The warranty is great, and the price is something I can easily afford even when I’ve budgeted out the rest of that paycheck.
If I was playing for large crowds in other cities/states often I’d obviously look into something with a bit more quality, but these fit what I need right now.
[ link ]I use the basic rca cables that come with the equipment or if I don’t have much cash at the time that I need them I just go to walmart to get the budget cables. I have bought the hosa cables from guitar center which I do like and they look good as well as good quality. I plan to get some more next time I go there.
[ link ]I dont bother with RCA for my main output, i just use a pair of 10ft Balanced TRS – XLR cables, much thicker cable with better insulation than any RCA cables ive seen at a similar price.
[ link ]I think they’re talking about budget mixers where RCA is the main out. I got a DJM400 as a backup that has RCA outputs and it’s the worst, anyinstalled sound system buzzes bad on em.
[ link ]I read this blog a lot, but I can’t call myself a DJ so I never really comment. For once there’s a topic I have some knowledge on!
There’s a marginal difference in sound when it comes to cheapies vs expensive cables. If you’re playing out though, what’s the point? I recall an article here talking about 320kbps mp3′s vs lossless. It’s somewhat the same thing; in a club with a bunch of (usually drunk) people dancing, would they really notice that marginal sound difference?
If your cartridge and needle aren’t designed to pump out audiophile sound (most dj carts aren’t, anyways), why do you need “audiophile” rca’s? I’d say avoid the cheapies though. Ignoring the sound quality arguments altogether, make sure you get at least decent middle of the road cables because they’re going to be more durable.
[ link ]Helpful thread! Been using Proel Challenge Rca/xlrs and interconnects of late. Good price and build. Much better than others I’ve tried. Always get spares too. Essential.
[ link ]For all cable needs, I use monoprice. They are usually significantly cheaper than the overpriced nonsense out there, are top notch quality, have fantastic tech. support, and guarantee their cables (and virtually all of their products) FOR LIFE.
This would probably only be useful for US customers, since duty costs to anywhere else might kill the value.
http://www.monoprice.com
I just purchased a truckload of XLR and RCA cables from them, as well as converter cables and adaptors for 3.5 mm headphone jack to RCA, which come in handy if you don’t have RCA input or output on one side of your setup.
They also make some very nice, reasonably priced DJ headphones as well.
I had a problem with my first pair, and they replaced them no problem for me, per their lifetime warranty.
[ link ]the only difference between cheap and expensive cables is build quality, not sound quality (copper is copper, the electrons still move along the cable in the same way!).
I only ever buy the cheapest RCA cables on eBay (often 99p or £1.99 delivered!) and whilst they may break more often than dearer ones, at that price I can just buy 10-15 cables for the price of an expensive one, and the dear one doesn’t last 15 times longer!! plus you should ALWAYS have spare cables with you!!!
[ link ]Ive been in the pro audio industry for about 16 years, and I’ve always found it funny when i see a set of RCA’s for millions of pounds, oxygen free, HD sound, and all the rest of the gimmicks. Yes there is there is a difference but the difference is so small to the normal ear its not worth the extra expense. Even if you take your expensive RCA’s with you are you 100% certain that the rest of the system is oxygen free, gold tipped, HD sound? so as soon as it leaves your RCA’s the sound is compromised straight away.
These cables are measured in perfect surroundings with calibrated instruments which is great, but when is the last time the everyday joe done a full calibration of there sound system?
My tip is just buy cables that feel like they have good sturdy connections within the RCA plugs and these should last for years!
[ link ]A friend of mine made himself some leads with gold connectors to connect his CD player to his amp with all components bought quite cheaply from Maplin. And without knowing what he’d done I asked him why his system sounded suddenly so much better.
[ link ]Just because some people cannot hear or see a difference in something, does not mean there is no difference, after all some people think MP3 sound great.
Having worked in Pro Audio sales and consulting for a few years in a former lifetime let me tell you this:
It makes no difference whatsoever – the signal will sound the same on the average PA on a $1 cable as on a $80 cable. Anyone who tells you different is just lying to himself because he paid to much himself, too.
Similarily, gold-plated plugs are just for looks (and people who swear it improves sound) – they do not improve sound quality in any way whatsoever. On our gear we couldn’t determine any difference when we tried it out. That’s just esoteric bullshit from the audiophile camp and a DJ is in no way audiophile, sorry.
Anyway, the only things you should IMHO look out for is that the RCA cables are sturdy (ones that have a steal spiral on the ends are really pro) and well insulated/isolated ( dunno the proper word in English) in order to avoid interference – but you can put on a one of these clip-on ferrit magnets if you have a lot of interference if need to, anyway.
Just my 2 euro cents (from someone who’s seen audiophiles send in fan-less amps to exchange the (de-coupled) power chord for “better sounding ones”. Ok, that’ll be 120 Euros, please, lol).
[ link ]Funny, as recounted in post above yours I noticed a difference [for the better] after cheap cables were swapped for decent connectors without my knowing anything had been changed.
Just because you don’t hear any difference doesn’t mean there is none. ;-p
Though if rest of audio system is crap then the lowest quality point is elsewhere so the quality bottleneck will prevent one hearing any difference. The system in question wasn’t expensive, bottom end audiophile quality, but it was quite surprising what a difference homemade cables made over out of box connectors.
And listening to good high end hi-fi can be’\ an eye opener in the amount of extra detail and at times instruments you can then hear. But just because something is pricey, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s better than lesser priced items, plenty of snake oil nonsense in audiophile places. If I didn’t have lots of expensive computer gear to continually update, I’d invest in a top notch high fi as the sound can be pretty amazing compared to lower end stuff. I have some decent kit but after helping a friend audition some pricey kit using some of my tunes, I realised how much better they could sound with better gear.
[ link ]Guys thank you very much for all this extremely valuable information. You surely saved me a few bucks there. And as for the spare cables, well that is a no brainer. Dont know why I was so stupid not to have any spares. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
[ link ]From what I have experienced, I can say that the cables I use (Monster MDJ RCA and Neo D Plus Class B RCA cables) do not only improve the audio quality, but are also very durable and fit snugly onto most RCA ports (very important when using DVS systems). I also changed my standard SL1200 phono cables for the Monster cable and I am now hearing things within the tunes that I have never heard before due to the improved quality.
When playing out I like to make sure that everything leaving my soundcard is as good as it possibly can get. This means that I can guaranty the best audio quality is being sent to the clubs speakers regardless of how good the house system is. If the audio leaving my set up is poor and the sound system is awful, the whole experience for the club/party goer is tarnished by ringing ears and poor quality audio and the same visa versa.
The biggest problem with cheap cables is that they break inside due to cheap construction and this equates to crackles, drops outs and most annoyingly DVS time code errors.
I spent many years not caring about cables. It was only when I bit the bullet and bought expensive cables I realised that just the cables can make a huge improvement!!
[ link ]Don’t go cheap on USB cables either! I did some testing prior to launch on the novation launchpad and had a few issues until they provided me with their own recommended USB cable. This is the most important part of any computer based system and you need to make sure it works perfectly at all times, otherwise the sound may just stop. This is not the place to try and save money.
[ link ]I do the same for RCA as I do for HDMI:
I do not believe in all the crap companies give us related to the quality of the sound and/or image. Any cable that is good enough to carry “a” signal will carry the best possible signal… For both RCA and HDMI, Monster cable have proven more than once to be a complete rip-off: the price is way to high for a signal difference which has never been “scientifically” proven!
What I do care about, though, is the finition and robustness of my cables. Especially in a club, I want very strong plugs and a thick covered cable all the way.
Long story short: the quality of the cable does not really matter “sound-wise” but it does make a difference to have a solid robust cable!
[ link ]RCA: I tested a lot of types and I can say that there’s a huge difference. I used a Native Instrument Audio 4 soundcard with cheap RCA cables. Later I changed it to a silver audiophile cable costed 50 euros a pair and the difference was audible. The bass was better definied the mids and highs became clearer and more opened. I tested some more expensive cables too but the sound quality not became better as the price of the cables got higher… Audiophiles listen high-end wide-range components in this case of course it’s better to use a high quality cable. So I think for a DJ system the ideal is to use a little bit better cables what you can buy in any shopping malls but there’s no meaning to use cables which costs hundreds or thousand euros.
[ link ]USB: it depends on where you use it. If you use it only with a controller without a soundcard the cheapest printer USB is as good as any other. But if you use it with a soundcard or with a contoller which includes a soundcard it”s better to use an USB which is made for especially for audio. For example Audioquest manufactures special audio USB cables – try it and you will hear the difference:)
I use Klotz cables and they do the job for 10 euros per cable. It doesn’t really matter what you use if you pay attention to quality of connectors (gold plated if you wish + think metal) and cable/wire (not too thin).
[ link ]Well, reliability is the keyword! Cheap ones let us down several times in the past. Especially if you have several cables running through a small space, there might occur magnetic coils, from the wiring and electricity and could even result in a total LACK OF SOUND at all! Sound quality is an issue of many discussions. But it of course DOES help and is true, but of a minor difference indeed. So if you plan to use the gear on Dancevalley, it helps, if it’s in the local club, waste of money (the really expensive ones that is).
[ link ]My advice is to get the shortest run of good quality (not the audiophile grade as stated above) RCA cables you can possibly get that can get plugged into a Direct Input box (or D.I. as they are commonly referred to) and from that using XLR cables for whatever distance you need. I say this for two reasons:
1) Direct Input boxes not only balance the signal, but they typically do a really good job of filtering out line noise you might get from your computer (they typically have a ground lift switch in them also).
2) XLR is really how you want to connect audio gear together (the cables are thicker, they’re built to withstand some punishment, the connections are almost always better, and they have push locks so they don’t accidentally become disconnected).
If your mixing board does not have XLR (microphone) ports (get a better one) you can get in-line adapters that allow you make the RCA or quarter inch TS *to* XLR *to* RCA or quarter inch TS conversions to the board. The whole point here is to make sure you have the least amount of unbalanced line between connections.
[ link ]Bandridge cables are inexpensive, gold plated and just fine!
[ link ]I personnaly use the Neo d+ cables. The best in the market when it comes to reliability and quality. PLus they are cool looking. They are pretty hard to find but I know you can get them in US & Canada via this online shop: http://shop.mixdynamix.com/collections/cables
Unless you’re performing on Top of the line sound systems in mega rooms, The class B ( the cheapest ) will do the job.
[ link ]Alright, gotta jump in here-
1. USB cable quality matters more than RCA cable quality. Phil, I love you, but this article is wrong. Shielding, quality internally of the crimp, ferrite beads, these all matter. What works in your home won’t always work live, given the shoddy power at many venues. Perfect example-there was one major DVS box that was released about 5 years ago (not going to name it, but it was part of a set) was notorious for failing when used at bars and venues due to the USB power regulator being very unfriendly to noise and interference….the very things that a well-spec’d USB cable will help with. We have done a ton of tests in house as well-it does matter. And, yes, the DJ Tech Tools cables are very good and safe options.
2. RCA cables vary little when it comes to sound quality, if at all. The main things you will find a cheap RCA cable loses you are proper shielding, which can lead to problems if using an internally grounded turntable (but this is rare), and the internal crimping being weak and not lasting. If you get a $2 Walmart special RCA cable, it will work, but it won’t last being plugged and unplugged over and over. If you are looking for RCA cables, look at how thick and beefy it is. Ask yourself-does this look like it will survive being crumpled in my bag and bashed around? The Monster DJ RCA cables are actually a decent option, not because they sound better (they don’t), but because the stress points have a large plastic molding surrounding all the points that are likely to break. They cost a bit, but they are cables that have lasted me about 7 years thus far, including playing hundreds of shows and a few cross country moves!
Good article, but please keep the USB thing in mind. I promise, it makes all the difference in the world!!
[ link ]Thanks, Prof! I see exactly what you’re saying – but I guess what I was saying is that ONCE a USB is reliable, that’s it – it’s digital, after all. Whereas analogue is every shade of nuance possible, and thus investing more and more can bring you incremental benefits, if only to the nth degree.
[ link ]I’ve had hard to pin down issues with computer gear which turned out to be cable problems, internal IDE cables and USB cables are two that spring to mind where kit stuff worked, but certainly not reliably.
[ link ]Just because a cable transfers a digital signal, doesn’t mean it’s binary in the sense that it works or it doesn’t work.
In an ideal modern Digital DJ setup….there would be no need for RCA’s.
[ link ]this is true!
one bar I gig in can have the decks set up in any of 5 locations and it’s a pain dragging around the XLR cables to suit.
Mobile rigs would also be easier to set up if the speakers were wireless. Only issue is that the power isnt wireless – but at least most places have power outlets dotted around…
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