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  • in reply to: Hello everybody #2397071
    Miguel
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    Live & learn. You do not need lots of words to get your story told:-)

    M

    in reply to: Any advise for a total newbie? #2267121
    Miguel
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    Its going to be a bit of a stupid answer, but still an answer:-)

    The DDJ SR is a two channel controller (mixer part) so you can mix from one “source” to an other, but it can control all the effects, has loop rolls, slicer, sample etc (You’ll get to know them very quickly) so almost all you can hope for. It is for Serato, but I guess it will be compatible with the Pioneer DJ software too so you can at least try it out for 30 days for free.

    Like I said earlier I use and love Traktor. Its in my mind (and I know not all share this thought) easy to use and the Remix decks + the new Stems system are awesome (specially the Remix decks). Serato has their Sample decks, but personally I do not like them, but there are people that do like them so maybe someone who likes to use them could comment.

    In both case if you really want to operate and play around with the Remix decks or Serato sample decks its easier with one extra bit: in Traktors case its the F1 and with Serato the DDJ SP1 controller. You do not need them right now, but I can bet a lot of money that you will want them in about one month time:-) it especially true with the Traktor Remix decks.

    http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/traktor/dj-controllers/traktor-kontrol-f1/
    http://www.pioneerdj.com/en/product/controller/ddj-sp1/black/overview

    The S4 is four channel controller + you can plug turntables or CDJs to it later if you feel so (that you can not do with the DDJ SR) . Its a really good controller and now that the S5 is out you will probably find the S4 2nd hand for a reasonable price (your budget). Better get the S4 Mk2 then (its the newer version). So just that you understand there is S4 and S4MK2 just like there is S2 and S2Mk2. The MK2 stands for new version. The S2 is a comparable controller with the DDJ SR since it has a two channel mixer. With both controllers you get the full Traktor Pro software. Just to make things a bit unclearer; if you want to use turntables with it you need the Traktor Scratch Pro software which costs a bit but its just an upgrade. For the moment do not worry about that, just get the system you want and start DJing. I promise either way you go you will not go wrong.

    You know. Toss a coin and choose:-). I recommend Traktor, but Serato is super cool also its just a bit different in general approach. Between those two controllers DDJ SR and S4Mk2 the later is definitely the winner by far. The Pioneer that is comparable with the S4MK2 is the DDJ SX2.

    DJWYLD1 gave a really good description of VDJ. Like I said I now very little about it.

    Oh one thing: with the S2 and S4 (MK2s) you can also control the Traktor DJ for IOS so iPhone or iPad and thats really cool. The app costs a few euros and you can shine in parties with just the controller + iPhone + speakers.

    Miguel

    in reply to: Any advise for a total newbie? #2265921
    Miguel
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    Well its a question of opinion.. Anyway I think Pioneer is about to release new “CDJs” any day/week/month (left side of DDJ-SZ/DDJ-RZ). The really old CDJs (like CDJ1000Mk3) can be used with control cds’ (just like turntables->DVS vinyl), but then you need a Mixer and DVS system and that costs. Then if you think of the Pioneer Nexus 2000/900 series which are top of the line at the moment, my opinion is that you should wait and see what happens, but also remembering that those or their future replacements are expensive. Better spend a little now and then once you use the system you end up with, you will know what to do in the future.. then you will probably spend quite a lot, but then you know what you’re spending for.

    Many of the Pioneer controllers come with Serato so there is no reason for you to skip them if you want Serato. Its just the last two models that work with their new software.. You’ll see all that on their website.

    Personally I like a combination; I have 2 Technics 1210 MK5s, 2 Traktor D2s and Xone DB4 mixer and use Traktor Scratch Pro 2. I am waiting what Pioneer will do and maybe (maybe) then its time to put the Technics aside at least for a while. I can not scratch, but working with the vinyls (even if DVS) is just pure fun. There is no real reason for me to use them:-)

    My first system was Traktor S4 MK2 + 2 F1s which I almost sold a month ago, but did not eventually and now that I joined the DDJT Scratch course for controllers I am more than happy I didn’t. Maybe after the course I will sell it, who knows. The F1s are awesome and I still use them even though the D2s can take care of almost everything, but there are a few things the F1s are better when it comes to the Remix decks. You’ll see if you end up with Traktor.

    One more thing; make the decision as soon as you feel comfortable, because you can really sink into this gear hell and postpone your DJing… I spent two months searching for answers day & night but luckily now I spend my time rehearsing and not speculating about the gear and If I do speculate its so much easier now that I am doing the thing these machines are for.

    Take care.

    M

    in reply to: Any advise for a total newbie? #2265861
    Miguel
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    Well Grant,

    you are where I was a few months ago.

    I can really relate to your situation; the information “out there” is overwhelming and usually skips the basics so you don’t even understand what you dont understand..:-)

    I will try to be as brief as I can:
    1. There are three main softwares that you can use for Djing; Traktor, Serato and Virtual DJ. Now there is also Pioneers new Rekordbox (+ few others) that is also a full DJ software and not just a preparation software like it was before. It will probably be very good but they just started with it a few days ago so you dont even have any good reviews about it yet. So for the moment stick to those three first ones…
    http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/traktor/dj-software/traktor-pro-2/
    https://serato.com/dj
    http://www.virtualdj.com/
    https://www.rekordbox.com/en/
    2. those softwares work with certain hardwares (controllers etc) and the basic rule is that Traktor works best with its own gear, Serato only works with certified hardware (it is mentioned on the gear) and Virtual DJ works with whatever they list on their pages. The controller controlls the software so when you play music you “play it” with that controller. Its that simple:-). You can use Traktor even straight from your laptop, but its easier and more fun with the controller.
    3. You can of course map this and that hardware to work with certain softwares but in the beginning its easiest to stick to those rules that I just mentioned…maybe even later too. With your budget its wisest to get a good controller (+software) and then once you learn more start piling up the gear:-)
    4. Serato is mainly about classical DJing with very good visuals to look at, Traktor is more producer oriented, because they add Remix decks and Stems to their system (I use Traktor and also have Serato) and Virtual DJs main thing is that you get to use their music collection…to be honest I do not know too much about VDJ, but hopefully someone can explain better.
    5. If you buy f.ex Traktors S2/S4 MK2 controllers you get their full DJ software included. Same goes for Serato controllers, but you just need to make sure they come with the full Serato DJ software and not for example Serato DJ intro which you will eventually want to upgrade quite soon. Same goes with Traktor (Traktor Pro software vs Traktor LE2 software). When you buy 2nd hand just make sure the sellers also gives the software serial numbers to you and also lets go of his rights to that software. That is done through the manufacturers webpage.

    http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/traktor/dj-controllers/
    https://serato.com/hardware/all/controllers
    http://www.virtualdj.com/
    http://www.pioneerdj.com/en/product/controller

    6. you need a decent computer (mac is better, but PC works too) and a set of headphones + speakers and your good to go. You can use your computers soundcard (if the controller does not have one) to hear what you play.

    So first decide the software Serato/Traktor/VDJ/Pioneer/other
    Then look for the controller that comes with the top software
    Get your laptop ready and make sure its “as fast as you want it to be”
    Get the headphones + almost any speakers (active) and thats it

    The rest you will figure out as you start doing it. The manuals in both Serato and Traktor are very good and easy to follow.

    DDJT has a very good catalogue about different controllers so pick that up and you’ll know more.

    I buy all my music from Beatport, DJ tunes & Itunes. The good thing about buying your music is of course that you support the people that make that music, but also since you need to pay for it you also need to think about it which is a very good thing once you start planning your sets… You will eventually find your own genre and hopefully people will appreciate that once you play live…

    Hope this helps a bit.

    Happy DJing,

    M

    ps. of course you can just get two turntables (for vinyl or CDJ) and a 2 channel mixer, but I guess thats not what you are looking for…

    in reply to: Pioneer Rekordbox 4.0 DJ software/tested? #2265621
    Miguel
    Participant

    Hey guys,

    I found this

    (not trying to be negative…just though you might want to see this)

    M

    in reply to: Pioneer Rekordbox 4.0 DJ software/tested? #2265591
    Miguel
    Participant

    Yeah you both mention Mixvibe… I have never even seen it so I guess its time to take a look:-)

    I see the Pioneer DJ really has 8 sample slots and if i understood right you can have them on both sides, so enough slots to say the least…

    I suppose the guys at Serato can not be too happy about all this. You can not escape the feeling that they are victims of being too friendly with Pioneer.

    Anyway it looks really good.

    M

    in reply to: Pioneer Rekordbox 4.0 DJ software/tested? #2265531
    Miguel
    Participant

    Hey Marco,

    thanks for a very good “review”.

    I have to say I really love the way the Remix decks work in Traktor. I do not do finger drumming so much as trigger samples and rhythmic elements, but still I think their great. I use the D2s which combined with my 1210s (and DB4) are great, but from the moment I heard that Pioneer is going to full on to the DJ software side I have been sort waiting to see what is really going to happen also waiting for comprehensive reviews.

    My guess is they will come up with a new player very soon (the “left side” of DDJ-RZ) and once they do they can, in my mind, combine all that is good in f.ex. my present set + the easiness of CDJ vs DVS. DVS is cool of course, but a bit of a hassle with the jumping needles etc.

    If their sample-system syncs with the main decks I will definitely consider it. I do not use sync otherwise, but with f.ex. seven samples running in the background it would be just too much of hassle to sync them by ear..probably just a horrible mess..:-)

    I recon the only way to try it is with their own controllers so I have just go and test it. Personally I am very lazy with any mappings and that is one reason I love NI because its just plug and play.

    I have just begun my journey with Ableton (and Push) so that is something to consider too.

    Anyway. Thanks again, happy DJing and have a great weekend.

    M

    in reply to: Greetings! How to buy in haste and regret at leisure….. #2263291
    Miguel
    Participant

    Hey LMP,

    don’t stress so much about the Stems. They are still work in progress so I suppose within 12months they will start to pick up more and more.

    I have two D2s’ and I think they are awesome so I suppose the S8 must be equally cool.

    Start experimenting with the Remix decks and take advantage of all the other possibilities the controller offers and you will have lots of fun + its the music that matters after all.

    Don’t let the S8 dust any longer:-)

    Take care.

    M

    in reply to: Add digital to Vinyl set Part 1000.. #2220741
    Miguel
    Participant

    Thanks Stazbumba,

    I kind of figured that one out myself, but it is good to hear it from someone who knows something about it. I was mainly guessing. My biggest worry is that I will not get anywhere with the software since I’ve never used anything of the sort… maybe its just something I need to push forward with and worry as I go along..?

    I am usually quite good with hardware an suck with software and that’s why I ask about the CDJ 2000 nxs or RMX 1000 if that route would ease my way somehow. Its been the same with music. I learn quite fast to play semi well an instrument, but the moment I need to start messing with effects not to mention midi I give up. All my effects are old school there too.

    Most of the videos on youtube about Traktor or Serato etc presume that I already know at least 30-40% of what they are talking about and I don’t, but once I get my hands on a piece of hardware I usually know what to do… Maybe I’m just too old for this transition… no way!!!:-)

    If I’d go timecode Vinyl and get one (later maybe two) controller (F1 or use a CDJ 2000nxs as controller) does that help with the updates or is that an DJM 900/Pioneer issue?

    Anyway I appreciate all help so if there is more just let me know:-)

    M

    in reply to: Add digital to Vinyl set Part 1000.. #2220631
    Miguel
    Participant

    Yeah well, Mr Vintage, maybe my questions tell you more than I would like to admit:-)

    I have been “looking” at the Traktor demo and it looks like something with Huge amount of possibilities, but I know that I do not have the nerve to comprehend all that in one take so I am kind of hoping to take baby steps towards adding elements to my current set.

    Since I have four channels I reccon I could use two of them as I use right now + one for just adding samples, musical and rhythmic elements play around with cue points and loops and one channel to just play music. Both from digital platform (Traktor/Serato whatever). Eventually it will lead to timecode or full digital setup, but for now I would like to be able to add and not just change. As far as I understand its X1/F1/D2 (like you mentioned) or CDJ 2000 Nxs that would get me started. All in all I just do not want to get a stack of gear & software that will not only cost a lot, but with which I will eventually just get lost with.

    Is there a course in your offerings that would be good to take so that I would learn how to use these systems (whatever it might be that suits best to this set up)? Do you by the way offer only on line courses or do you have also “live” courses?

    Thanks again,

    M

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